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re: A Message from Kyle Rittenhouse...
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:59 am to oogabooga68
Posted on 9/15/20 at 10:59 am to oogabooga68
I'm rooting for you two. <3
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Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:00 am to Open Your Eyes
quote:I suggest that you re-read the thread. Several posters were focused ENTIRELY upon the word "justification," and implied that no such concept is applicable. Those persons were/are incorrect.
Every time someone uses a variant of th(e) word (justification) you attempt to revert back to ‘that’s what I said in my first post that everyone is disagreeing with’ when that’s not anyone disagreed with at all.
quote:I suggest that perhaps you have not followed the discussion very closely over the past week.
The disagreement is entirely around your incorrect use of “murder” to attempt to portray rittenhouse in negative manner.
I started an entire THREAD asserting that advocates of the 2nd Amendment AND/OR opponents of BLM could not have HOPED for a better poster-boy than Kyle Rittenhouse. I outlined all the great things about the kid, and explained how fortunate those advocates ARE that it was KYLE and not some Proud Boy or skinhead who was involved in this shooting.
I have said REPEATEDLY that I like what I see about the kid AND that I see zero chance he will be convicted on the felonies. Why the HELL would I "try to portray (him) in a negative manner?"
quote:Yes, I did, and you have STILL not explained your understanding of the distinction between "murder" and homicide."
You also dared me to enlighten you, so you could be entertained.
Let me help you out. "Murder" is a subset of "homicide." For most of our history, the criminal codes of the various States used the term "murder." Over time, those Codes have been amended to use the term "homicide." Again, my use of the term "murder" was imprecise, and perhaps a bit dated.
quote:You are an emotional child.
impotent imbecile.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:06 am to oogabooga68
quote:Then you were mistaken.
I thought the DA's first and only responsibility was to the Constitution
quote:The District attorney is granted significant discretion in prosecuting crimes (or not), and his discretion SHOULD be informed by the mores of the persons in his jurisdiction.
I do solemnly swear (or affirm), that I will faithfully execute the duties of the office of (District Attorney), and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States and of this State, so help me God.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:10 am to FreddieMac
quote:Yawn
condones political prosecution
quote:
Prosecutorial discretion is the authority of an agency or officer to decide what charges to bring and how to pursue each case. A law-enforcement official who declines to pursue a case against a person has favorably exercised prosecutorial discretion.
quote:You are thinking (probably) of selective enforcement, which I do NOT condone.
Prosecutorial discretion is when a prosecutor has the power to decide whether or not to charge a person for a crime, and which criminal charges to file. This is a rather broad power that also gives prosecutors the authority to enter into plea bargains with a defendant, which can result in the defendant pleading guilty to a lesser charge or receiving a lesser sentence for pleading guilty to the original charge
Prosecutors may have a variety of reasons for using prosecutorial discretion. One reason that a prosecutor may decide not to file charges against a defendant is a lack of evidence. A prosecutor has the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt any charges they file against a defendant, so if the evidence isn't there or it's shaky, they may decide against filing the charges.
Prosecutorial discretion also allows prosecutors not to file charges, to drop charges or to offer a plea deal when the circumstances surrounding the "crime" warrant it. For example, if the facts and evidence indicate that killing was actually in self-defense (which can be a close call in some cases), the prosecutor may reduce the charges from murder to manslaughter, or even drop the charges entirely.
quote:Now, does this case include elements of BOTH proper "prosecutorial discretion" AND improper "selective enforcement?" Yeah, possibly so.
Probably the biggest downside of prosecutorial discretion is that it creates the potential for prosecutorial misconduct that can be seen in cases of selective prosecution. Because of the inherent subjectivity of a prosecutor's discretion, their personal beliefs and biases - whether conscious or unconscious - can creep into their decisions
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 11:16 am
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:11 am to AggieHank86
quote:
and his discretion SHOULD be informed by the mores of the persons in his jurisdiction.
So as in THIS case, "mob rule"....
Gotcha.....thanks!
I knew you Lawyer types were found of treating the Constitution like a two-bit whore when it benefits you, thanks for confirming!
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:17 am to AggieHank86
There is so much bullshite in this post it’s hard to even believe. His understanding of murder is clearly better than your own. You continue to lie about the argument ever being about justification. If you are actually an attorney, a purported fact that I cannot bring myself to believe, you must have gone to a third tier law school and finished at the bottom of your class. It’s also interesting that as an accomplished litigator you’ve had literally all morning to lie on this board in a pathetic attempt to defend yourself.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:21 am to Chet Donnely
quote:
you’ve had literally all morning to lie on this board in a pathetic attempt to defend yourself.
"One thing you can be certain of with a narcissist is that they lie. They don’t stick to the truth and there is one main reason for this – they are a False Self. Meaning an insecure ego construction that has forfeited living as an authentic self, because of believing this self is not enough – not enough to have needs met or be fulfilled as itself.
The narcissist is trying to be someone else, a fictitious character who gleans feelings of significance from others because their self-esteem is so devoid on the inside."
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:26 am to Chet Donnely
quote:Good lord, the following is from my FIRST post:
You continue to lie about the argument ever being about justification.
quote:In any case:
That (offense) is ALMOST CERTAINLY justified, and he will ALMOST CERTAINLY not be convicted, but that is a question for the jury.
quote:There is nothing to defend. I am trying to help you (and others) understand a legal concept that clearly eludes you. I am coming to realize that you have no desire to remedy your blissful ignorance on the topic.
pathetic attempt to defend yourself
You seem to be utterly convinced that there is only ONE question ... Is Kyle guilty? I AGREE with you that he will be found "not guilty" of the homicide charges.
I have also explained that there are TWO questions, and that he can be found to have committed an offense and STILL not be convicted because his actions are privileged/justified/excused.
You clearly have no desire to actually UNDERSTAND the applicable law. Enjoy your ignorance.
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 11:30 am
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:29 am to AggieHank86
You’re not helping anyone but yourself you pompous asswipe. Nobody asked for your help and nobody needs it.
Nobody argued justification with you. You brought it up and in the same post misstated legal concepts more than once. After everyone with a brain pointed out the fact that you’re a fricking idiot, you pretended the argument was about justification and showed everyone that you were right about that all along.
Keep googling statutes and pretending you’re a lawyer. It’s cute.
Nobody argued justification with you. You brought it up and in the same post misstated legal concepts more than once. After everyone with a brain pointed out the fact that you’re a fricking idiot, you pretended the argument was about justification and showed everyone that you were right about that all along.
Keep googling statutes and pretending you’re a lawyer. It’s cute.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:31 am to Chet Donnely
quote:Agreed
Nobody asked for your help
quote:Riiiight.
and nobody needs it.
Look, people asked why Kyle Rittenhouse was even charged and why he is still in jail. I explained both.
The truth is that some of you have no interest in understanding the answers to either of those questions. You just want to vent your righteous indignation. Enjoy.
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 11:33 am
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:32 am to AggieHank86
How long before you finally agree you’re an idiot with no knowledge of the law outside what you can quickly search on the internet?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:32 am to AggieHank86
quote:
No, he is not. He is charged with homicide.
An intentional homicide charge amounts to a first-degree murder charge in Illinois. The reckless homicide charge amounts to a second-degree murder charge here.
Your shittiness as a lawyer truly knows no bounds.
quote:
I made the same misstatement,
No you didn’t moron. You said he committed “a murder.” Twice.
quote:
and I acknowledged and corrected the imprecise usage.
After you ran from being “enlightened” by me, attempted to pass your stupidity off as alternate “vernacular”, and attempted to claim intellectual superiority over “laypersons” that clearly understand the law better than you do.
quote:
Yes, I did. And (again) that language was imprecise.
It wasn’t imprecise. It was wrong, and done intentionally so as to portray rittenhouse in a negative manner.
You also defended it for multiple posts before admitting your stupidity.
quote:
Hurling pejoratives at me does not alter this analysis, which is 100% correct.
Repeatedly talking about shite that no one is arguing about to attempt to distract from your own stupidity is 100% irrelevant, and does not alter the fact that you’re a shitty lawyer and unmitigated moron.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:34 am to Gtmodawg
quote:
Technically entering the US at any point, seeking authorities and announcing you are seeking asylum is not only not illegal it is legal by US law and by international law.....doing the same thing and avoiding capture by the authorities is a low level misdemeanor..
They are not being criminally charged but rather are being held for administrative hearings to determine their status.
One is not like the other.
Apples and oranges brother.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:35 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Look, people asked why Kyle Rittenhouse was even charged and why he is still in jail. I explained both.
You didn’t explain anything. You gave your opinion and it’s worth about as much as a bag of dogshit.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:36 am to Open Your Eyes
quote:Say WHAT?
After you ran from being “enlightened” by me,
You have STILL not explained your understanding of the distinction between "murder" and homicide." At this point, it should be easy, since I explained it for you several pages ago.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:38 am to AggieHank86
Why do I feel an anchor is about to get thrown over the side of this boat?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:42 am to Chet Donnely
quote:I will summarize for your, since you apparently cannot read very well:quote:You gave your opinion and it’s worth about as much as a bag of dogshit.
Look, people asked why Kyle Rittenhouse was even charged and why he is still in jail. I explained both.
Why is he still in jail? Because he has not yet been extradited from Illinois to Wisconsin, where he will be able to make bail. Illinois has no authority to release him prior to extradition. BTW, the $2 million bail figure is ridiculous.
Why was he charged? He clearly committed a homicide. The prosecutor elected NOT to exercise the prosecutorial discretion, which COULD have allowed him not to pursue the charges in cases of obvious self-defense. Instead, he is holding Kyle to the burden of proving his affirmative defense. His decision seems to have been influenced by the perceived desires of constituents.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:42 am to Jorts R Us
quote:Rather a pattern, isn't it.
Why do I feel an anchor is about to get thrown over the side of this boat?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:44 am to AggieHank86
The pattern is the smell of shite wherever you take your “explanations”
Posted on 9/15/20 at 11:45 am to AggieHank86
quote:Interesting.
There is no evidence anywhere that Grosskreutz has committed a felony crime. He was, however, found guilty in 2016 of breaking Wisconsin’s law governing the use of dangerous weapons — a misdemeanor offense — per Milwaukee County court records. He had apparently gone somewhere “armed while intoxicated.” He pleaded and got a one-year conditional release (which, among other things, prevented him from possessing a firearm during that year), the terms of which he successfully completed in 2017.
Thanks. Obviously explains why he was not arrested IAW possession of a firearm.
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