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re: A story of what suicidal empathy gets you
Posted on 2/1/26 at 9:20 am to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 2/1/26 at 9:20 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Not hardly.
There, I fixed it for ya.
You deny the plain evidence for God and suppress the knowledge of Him in your unrighteousness. You can’t find Him for the same reason a criminal can’t find a cop. You are running from judgment, but you can’t run forever.
When death stops you in your tracks, you will have no more excuses. You will be sent to Hell to wait for your final judgment.
You can avoid such a fate by putting your trust in the one who gave His life to save many. Turn from your hard-hearted rebellion and submit to your creator and Lord before it is too late for you.
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Posted on 2/1/26 at 6:44 pm to FooManChoo
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You deny the plain evidence for God
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You are running from judgment, but you can’t run forever.
The righteous being rewarded and the bad guys punished as lifted right out of Zoroastrianism.
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When death stops you in your tracks, you will have no more excuses. You will be sent to Hell to wait for your final judgment.
Your book says there is no difference between man and beast and that we all return to the dirt and go to the same place. And it says man, just like the beasts, perish. It kind of gives mixed signals, doesn’t it?
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You can avoid such a fate by putting your trust in the one who gave His life to save many.
A baseless assertion about an evil deity doing evil deeds. Guess that’s about par for the course for the deity who would throw a woman on a bed and let dudes gang rape her and then would kill her babies.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 12:30 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Ah yes, “everything about Christianity is lifted from another religion”. You DO have faith after all
The righteous being rewarded and the bad guys punished as lifted right out of Zoroastrianism.
quote:Your ignorance of the Bible is astonishing. You spend so much time on here trashing a religion you know so little about.
Your book says there is no difference between man and beast and that we all return to the dirt and go to the same place. And it says man, just like the beasts, perish. It kind of gives mixed signals, doesn’t it?
Our bodies return to the ground like all other creatures. Our souls go somewhere else. You know this is what the Bible teaches. You just like to spread your ignorance.
quote:Not baseless. You have no reference point for evil in your wicked worldview.
A baseless assertion about an evil deity doing evil deeds. Guess that’s about par for the course for the deity who would throw a woman on a bed and let dudes gang rape her and then would kill her babies.
Posted on 2/2/26 at 12:12 pm to FooManChoo
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Ah yes, “everything about Christianity is lifted from another religion”.
Modern Christianity is a combination of earlier Nicene Christianity with Platonism. Nicene Christianity was about the future judgement and resurrection of the dead… the dead were “asleep” awaiting the resurrection and would go up to meet Jesus who would be coming down from heaven. When Jesus hadn’t returned, they took the concept of the soul from Platonism and now tell people grandma’s soul is in heaven forever and they forget about the ending of the Nicene creed.
Nicene Christianity is itself a mishmash of several versions of early Christianity with but mostly of a version of Christianity that believed Jesus was a real human who died on earth crucified under Pontius Pilate that superseded the other and earlier versions of Christianity that believed Jesus was supernatural being who was crucified/sacrificed in heaven (1 Corinthians, Hebrews).
That Pauline Christianity was an offshoot of the original Jewish Christianity which was an offshoot of Enochian Judaism plus eastern Mediterranean and Egyptian mystery cults. Enochian Judaism (such as what the Essenes practiced) was a mishmash of first temple Judaism and early second temple Judaism. First temple Judaism was pure Canaanite polytheism plus the Shasu/Edomite religion with an emphasis on Yahweh being their patron deity. Early second temple Judaism was a combination of first temple Judaism with a heavy dose of Zoroastrianism (heaven and hell, future judgement of the living and the dead, resurrection).
Genesis chapter two: man is called “Adam” which is the same exact word as “Edom”. Hebrew didn’t have vowels. The Genesis 2 story was adapted from Edomite myths. Yahweh was said to come from northwest Arabia or Seir or Edom. The first temple cult adopted Yahweh from the south and conflated Yahweh with Baal Hadad and later on in the second temple period some conflated Yahweh with his father El Elyon.
And Canaanite religion and Mesopotamian religion share an origin. In Deuteronomy 34, Yahweh shows Moses the promise land from the top of Mount Nebo… named after the deity Nebo from earlier Canaanite religion. The Babylonian king who destroyed Judah was named after the deity Nebo… you would know him as Nebuchadnezzar.
There are parallels with Jesus and all the parallel and earlier religions. Justin Martyr says as much to the Roman emperor and senate in his first apology. Elements of the Sumerian religion of Innana made its way into Christianity. It’s not a surprise how a fatherly figure named B-R-H-M both in Hindu Sanskrit language and in Semitic languages gave rise to “Abraham” and “Brahma”.
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Our bodies return to the ground like all other creatures. Our souls go somewhere else. You know this is what the Bible teaches.
The Bible teaches nothing. It’s just a collection of ancient writings by different authors with different theologies and different goals - a collection created by men with the intention of deciding which scriptures are authoritative and which aren’t. The reader gives it meaning, like you do when you pick and choose what you will accept and which parts you will reject. For much of “the Bible”, the dead go to Sheol, forever, and are unconscious/sleeping. The concept of the soul is directly pulled from Greek Platonism.
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5For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. 6Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun. 7Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart, for God has already approved what you do.
8Let your garments be always white. Let not oil be lacking on your head.
9Enjoy life with the wife whom you love, all the days of your vainb life that he has given you under the sun, because that is your portion in life and in your toil at which you toil under the sun. 10Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.
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17The dead do not praise the LORD, nor do any who go down into silence.
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Not baseless.
Everything you assert is baseless and fallacious.
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You have no reference point for evil in your wicked worldview.
I imagine you sitting next to someone saying, “man that chicken tastes like shite” and your reply being “you have no basis to say that if you’ve never eaten shite. There is no good taste nor any bad taste unless you have an objective reference to understand what good and bad tastes like.”
You’re a fricking idiot.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:11 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Nope. That's your conjecture, and it's not based in reality. Aside from the NT biblical writings, themselves, Ignatius and Polycarp refer to the resurrected Jesus (in a physical body), as do non-Christian sources like Tacitus. I've explained many times how your theory of a Heaven-only ministry, death, and resurrection is garbage, yet you keep repeating it.
Modern Christianity is a combination of earlier Nicene Christianity with Platonism
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The Bible teaches nothing.
uh yeah, it teaches everything that I said. It's what Christians have affirmed since the beginning of the religion. quote:Only some of this is correct. The human authors are diverse, but all were carried along by the Holy Spirit to write a unified message.
It’s just a collection of ancient writings by different authors with different theologies and different goals - a collection created by men with the intention of deciding which scriptures are authoritative and which aren’t.
quote:God gives it meaning, and it's up to us to receive it, not create our own meaning. I don't pick and choose what I want to believe. I interpret it according to its own rules, within the context of the entire corpus of writings. You are the one who picks and chooses what you want from it, because you believe it's all a disjointed and fractured set of different beliefs without any common thread or unity. That's why you can stress one particular verse or passage while ignoring others completely, dismissing them as inauthentic, corrupted, or something else entirely. You pick and choose what you want to accept.
The reader gives it meaning, like you do when you pick and choose what you will accept and which parts you will reject.
quote:"Sleep" is a way of describing death.
For much of “the Bible”, the dead go to Sheol, forever, and are unconscious/sleeping. The concept of the soul is directly pulled from Greek Platonism.
The Old Testament is full of references to the soul, or spirit of man. Plato isn't the source of it.
Your wish casting doesn't comport with reality.
quote:You don't even understand what is and isn't fallacious
Everything you assert is baseless and fallacious.
You should stick to conspiracy theories, because logic isn't your strong suit.
quote:Not at all, because everyone recognizes that how something tastes and one's preference for it is entirely subjective. Some people are grossed out by the taste of broccoli while others love it. Some love animals brains or intestines while others want to throw up at the taste. Many enjoy the taste of alcohol while others abhor it. There are many acquired tastes in this life, but you're touching on personal preferences that differ from person to person. There is no objective source for what good food tastes like that you can use to judge all cuisine. That's the sort of thing you are promoting in morality when you reject God as the objective source for moral reasoning. You reduce rape and murder down to preferences.
I imagine you sitting next to someone saying, “man that chicken tastes like shite” and your reply being “you have no basis to say that if you’ve never eaten shite. There is no good taste nor any bad taste unless you have an objective reference to understand what good and bad tastes like.”
quote:Ah yes. The ad hominem attack. It's clearly the retort of the intelligent.
You’re a fricking idiot.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:35 am to FooManChoo
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Not at all, because everyone recognizes that how something tastes and one's preference for it is entirely subjective. Some people are grossed out by the taste of broccoli while others love it. Some love animals brains or intestines while others want to throw up at the taste. Many enjoy the taste of alcohol while others abhor it. There are many acquired tastes in this life, but you're touching on personal preferences that differ from person to person. There is no objective source for what good food tastes like that you can use to judge all cuisine. That's the sort of thing you are promoting in morality when you reject God as the objective source for moral reasoning. You reduce rape and murder down to preferences.
Next time someone says “this XYZ food is sooo goooddd!” You be sure to tell them that nothing is good because good is undefined because there is no objective standard for good food.
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Ah yes. The ad hominem attack
Posted on 2/4/26 at 1:21 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:While I could do that, it is entirely unnecessary, because everyone knows that taste is subjective. What most people don’t realize is that if they reject an objective law-giver in God, they reduce morality to the same arbitrary and subjective opinion as food taste.
Next time someone says “this XYZ food is sooo goooddd!” You be sure to tell them that nothing is good because good is undefined because there is no objective standard for good food.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 1:54 am to ZIGG
So the Father, his Daughter’s murderers and “the truth and reconciliation commission “ all believe in political-based murder? How noble.
And the next time some lethal Virus runs rampant through that place or the CCP decides to take them for ‘political’ ends, I’ll view that as God’s judgement and just let it go. Assuming that there are few true Christians or humanitarians in that place.
The US should not send a single cent down there. And Trump should offer asylum and the standard subsidies that Somalis get to any white South Africans who want to leave that God forsaken, heathen land.
I wonder if the Father and Daughter were Christians? Somehow I think not. But I hope so.
Live and learn.
And the next time some lethal Virus runs rampant through that place or the CCP decides to take them for ‘political’ ends, I’ll view that as God’s judgement and just let it go. Assuming that there are few true Christians or humanitarians in that place.
The US should not send a single cent down there. And Trump should offer asylum and the standard subsidies that Somalis get to any white South Africans who want to leave that God forsaken, heathen land.
I wonder if the Father and Daughter were Christians? Somehow I think not. But I hope so.
Live and learn.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 2:02 am to ZIGG
Posted on 2/5/26 at 8:19 pm to FooManChoo
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What most people don’t realize is that if they reject an objective law-giver in God,
So many problems with this sentence.
-baseless assertions
-the “law” isn’t objective
-your deity “God” does not exist in reality
Posted on 2/6/26 at 7:46 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:The only problem is that you don’t want to hear the truth, and you will be judged by God for your sins if you do not turn from them and embrace your savior, Jesus.
So many problems with this sentence.
quote:”You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
-baseless assertions
quote:Yes, it is. It originates outside the human mind and experience and is based on the eternal, unchanging, and perfect character of God, who holds all men accountable to it.
-the “law” isn’t objective
quote:”Baseless assertion”
-your deity “God” does not exist in reality
God does exist necessarily. There are many evidences of His existence. You just aren’t convinced by them because your mind is darkened and your heart is hardened.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 1:50 pm to FooManChoo
quote:quote:You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
baseless assertions”
Let me give you an example…
quote:
The only problem is that you don’t want to hear the truth, and you will be judged by God for your sins if you do not turn from them and embrace your savior, Jesus.
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the “law” isn’t objectiveYes, it is.
But what is “objective”?
quote:
adjective - expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations
So no, the Torah isn’t objective. The Bible isn’t objective. It requires interpretation and fallacious assertions and dogma to decide what is what. Should God or humans punish sons for the sins of their father? There is no objectivity contained within the Bible, as God says to hold the son responsible for the sins of the father, while also saying he does not hold the son responsible for the sins of the father. Each person is responsible for their own sin. Each mean shall die for his own sin. But he killed may babies throughout the Bible for the sins of their fathers, and to this day you believe the sin of Adam is upon you - that you are guilty for Adam’s sin. You can expressed that sentiment countless times on here, in fact. But in Ezekiel, we have…
quote:
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
Two opposing, opposite, conflicting statements cannot both be true simultaneously. There is no objectivity.
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perfect character of God
Don’t you think maybe God could’ve done things a little better? Maybe not put that forbidden tree with juicy fruit right in front of Adam and Eve who didn’t yet know right from wrong yet? Did he absolutely need to drown the whole earth in a flood? Maybe snap his fingers and vaporize just the bad people? Maybe he could have come up with a way to save all those innocent babies he slaughtered? Perfect, hardly. Any one of us could have done much better with godlike powers.
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God does exist necessarily.
Very good, another baseless assertion.
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There are many evidences of His existence.
Foo, you are so dumb.
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You just aren’t convinced by them because your mind is darkened and your heart is hardened
No, it’s because I’ve heard it all and read it all and perceived it all and made up my own mind. It’s a difference in personality, but not necessarily intellect. I am inquisitive and love to learn about science and the world around me. I have a desire to understand the truth of reality. Your desire is to have the wool pulled over your eyes. You would take the blue pill, while I’ll go red.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 1:59 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:What an absurd contention by someone wholly invested in its contents.
The Bible teaches nothing
As was said in another thread, it's a matter of faith.
As an agnostic, you have no faith in the hereafter. That's your business.
You don't share belief in an eternal sole, heaven, or God. That's your business.
Why does it upset you so much that others don't share your lack of faith?
Posted on 2/6/26 at 2:16 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Empathy is a good thing. Jesus has it for us and we are to have it for other human beings, image-bearers of God.
While Jesus commanded us to be as "gentle as a dove" as we went out into a world of wolves, we are also required by scripture to be responsible with our own lives.
Jesus also commanded us to be as "shrewd as a serpent" when we dealt with a world full of evil men.
While God is Love, He is not only love and forgiveness. He is also Justice.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 2:18 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:You're red pilled, because Foo enjoys the blue pill?
You would take the blue pill, while I’ll go red.
You're just all up in other's business, aren't you?
Posted on 2/6/26 at 4:08 pm to Tigerinthewoods
quote:I agree with all of what you said here.
While Jesus commanded us to be as "gentle as a dove" as we went out into a world of wolves, we are also required by scripture to be responsible with our own lives.
Jesus also commanded us to be as "shrewd as a serpent" when we dealt with a world full of evil men.
While God is Love, He is not only love and forgiveness. He is also Justice.
My comments weren't meant to imply that we should be irresponsible with our lives, but only that there is more to the Christian faith than individual and personal survival. Christ laid down His own life for His people. The Apostles died for the sake of Christ. We are told that there is no greater love than to lay down your own life for a friend.
Self-sacrifice for the love of God and neighbor is what Christians are called to do. Most of the time it merely means sacrificing your wants and desires for the sake of others, but sometimes it means sacrificing your own life. Some would call this "suicidal empathy", and I would call it Christian love.
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Posted on 2/6/26 at 5:23 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:That's not an example of something baseless. It's founded upon the truth of Scripture, which is founded in the very truth of God as revealed to men.quote:quote:
baseless assertions”
You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Let me give you an example…quote:
The only problem is that you don’t want to hear the truth, and you will be judged by God for your sins if you do not turn from them and embrace your savior, Jesus.
Just because you disagree or don't believe that the Scriptures are God's revelation does not mean that they aren't, and therefore, doesn't not mean that such truth is "baseless".
What you're saying--and what you seem to always be saying--is that if you don't personally agree with something, then it must not be true, and therefore has no basis in reality. That seems to be the very sort of narrow thinking that you despise Christians for.
quote:While that definition certainly does apply to God's word, that's not exactly how I'm using the word "objective". It's more akin to the 2nd definition on Merriam Webster than the 1st, which is what you used: "existing outside of the mind : existing in the real world"quote:
But what is “objective”?quote:
adjective - expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations
Or this: "of or having to do with a known or perceived object as distinguished from something existing only in the mind of the subject, or person thinking" ( Collins Dictionary)
Or this: "intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book." ( Dictionary.com)
When I speak of objectivity, I'm speaking in the sense of a reality that exists outside of the human mind or experience.
Subjective morality is that which originates from the mind of people, based on individual thoughts, beliefs, feelings, or preferences. Objective morality is that which exists outside the human mind or experience, and relates to God who is infinite, eternal, and unchangeable. Subjective morality constantly changes as the mindsets and beliefs or worldviews of the populations change. Objective morality stays the same because it is based on God's unchanging character. Subjective morality would cease entirely if humanity disappeared. Objective morality would exist even without humanity.
quote:That which is objective is still objective even if subjective humans try their hand at interpretation and application, because the truth of it lies in what God means, not what we believe it means or how we interpret it. We can certainly interpret an objective law incorrectly, but that doesn't nullify the law, itself.
So no, the Torah isn’t objective. The Bible isn’t objective. It requires interpretation and fallacious assertions and dogma to decide what is what.
quote:Again, you are referring to objective punishments rather than objective sins. The only punishment that is truly objective in its application is that sin deserves the punishment of death. That's why Jesus had to die for the sins of others, so that in being put to death, He would give spiritual life to many.
Should God or humans punish sons for the sins of their father? There is no objectivity contained within the Bible, as God says to hold the son responsible for the sins of the father, while also saying he does not hold the son responsible for the sins of the father. Each person is responsible for their own sin. Each mean shall die for his own sin. But he killed may babies throughout the Bible for the sins of their fathers, and to this day you believe the sin of Adam is upon you - that you are guilty for Adam’s sin. You can expressed that sentiment countless times on here, in fact. But in Ezekiel, we have…quote:
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The verse in Ezekiel 18 is referring to judicial punishments for sin-crimes in the theocratic nation of Israel. God references the Jews who are unjust in their judgements and explains why they should not punish the children for the sins of their fathers, or the fathers for the sins of their children.
Going back to the situation with David and his son: God was not judging or condemning the child for the sins of his father. There was no human justice at play in that, only divine consequences. The child did not bear the guilt of its father.
In regard to original sin, that refers to a humanity-wide federalism with Adam as the federal head of humanity, acting on behalf of the human race, and all humanity being judged with him. It's the same concept that we see with nations, where the acts of the leads of a nation may result in war that impacts the people of that nation. There is no federal sin relationship with biological fathers and their sons. God may allow the consequences of sin for the fathers to fall on the sons, and those of the sons on the fathers, but consequences are not the same as guilt.
quote:You really need to go back and take a course in basic philosophy or logic, or look at some Youtube videos or something.
Two opposing, opposite, conflicting statements cannot both be true simultaneously. There is no objectivity.
The law of non-contradiction isn't about merely opposing true claims, but opposing truth claims spoken in the same sense or relationship.
We use this sort of language every day. When someone says, "this food is bad for me, but this food is good!", that isn't a contradiction, because the words "good" and "bad" are meant in different senses or relationships. The food being "bad" is said within the relationship of personal health, while the words "this food is good" is in reference to taste.
quote:Could God have done those things "better"? No, because they were done with different purposes in mind than what you are thinking of. God showing His fatherly compassion and glory to His people was best done against the backdrop of sin and sacrifice of Christ on behalf of sinners. Mercy doesn't mean anything if there is no deserved judgement. Kindness is hard to grasp when their is nothing to compare it to. Like a diamond that shines brightest against a dark backdrop, God's love and mercy shine more brightly against the backdrop of sin and judgement. And mind you, this judgement is not against "innocent" people, but people who willingly and willfully do sin or would sin if they had the chance to do so.
Don’t you think maybe God could’ve done things a little better? Maybe not put that forbidden tree with juicy fruit right in front of Adam and Eve who didn’t yet know right from wrong yet? Did he absolutely need to drown the whole earth in a flood? Maybe snap his fingers and vaporize just the bad people? Maybe he could have come up with a way to save all those innocent babies he slaughtered? Perfect, hardly. Any one of us could have done much better with godlike powers.
God's plans are perfect. You just don't comprehend it because your sin clouds your understanding.
quote:Not at all. It's a logical conclusion. If anything exists, God must exist necessarily. It's also called the cosmological argument for God's existence.
Very good, another baseless assertion.
quote:Your mind is darkened
I’ve heard it all and read it all and perceived it all and made up my own mind
This post was edited on 2/6/26 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 2/6/26 at 5:28 pm to ZIGG
Apartheid is pretty universally recognized as being… not great.
She died lobbying for a cause she believed in. You could call that stupid… or brave. Suicidal is some interesting framing.
She died lobbying for a cause she believed in. You could call that stupid… or brave. Suicidal is some interesting framing.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 8:18 pm to NC_Tigah
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As an agnostic, you
Wrong
Posted on 2/6/26 at 9:08 pm to FooManChoo
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That's not an example of something baseless. It's founded upon the truth of Scripture
Baseless. You cannot objectively demonstrate that there is any truth in your scripture to any supernatural claims or stories.
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Just because you disagree or don't believe that the Scriptures are God's revelation does not mean that they aren't, and therefore, doesn't not mean that such truth is "baseless".
Let me flip that around on you. Just because you believe the scriptures are divinely revealed doesn’t mean they are. Real actual truth isn’t baseless. Your “Truth” is baseless, because you assert things that are not only impossible but have been proven to not have happened historically in actual reality.
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What you're saying--and what you seem to always be saying--is that if you don't personally agree with something, then it must not be true, and therefore has no basis in reality.
What I explain as to the falsehoods of your belief system are objective and verifiable by anyone.
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That seems to be the very sort of narrow thinking that you despise Christians for.
I don’t despise Christians. Many of my family and friends are Christians. It just bothers me, for their sake, that they believe in a false reality.
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Subjective morality is that which originates from the mind of people, based on individual thoughts, beliefs, feelings, or preferences
All morality is subjective. You wouldn’t even do things that “God” himself did (according to some ancient Iron Age scribe) because you believe those actions are evil.
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Objective morality is that which exists outside the human mind or experience, and relates to God who is infinite, eternal, and unchangeable.
Neither of these two exist, in reality.
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The verse in Ezekiel 18 is referring to judicial punishments for sin-crimes in the theocratic nation of Israel.
Nope, it is “God” who says he will judge each and every one of them. It is not human judgement of other humans. It is divine judgement. Ezekiel 18 is referred to punishments enacted by Yahweh for sins against Yahweh. Might want to check verse 30.
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God was not judging or condemning the child for the sins of his father.
You lying sack of shite.
I already posted the exact quote saying the child was killed (condemned) precisely for the sin of his father David. quote:
You really need to go back and take a course in basic philosophy or logic, or look at some Youtube videos or something. The law of non-contradiction isn't about merely opposing true claims, but opposing truth claims spoken in the same sense or relationship.
Yeah, like take nothing except a staff, and do not take a staff. You’re nothing but a troll, Foo. A very lazy liar.
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Could God have done those things "better"? No
Yes. Easily. He’s an a-hole. He could have hid the tree of knowledge. He could have not allowed the watchers to rape human women to make the Nephilim.
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God's plans are perfect
Yet, Moses had to negotiate with Yahweh to NOT genocide the entire Israelite population. Not because doing so would be wrong. No, it’s because the Egyptians will laugh at him saying he took the Israelites just so he could kill em. It’s right there in the bible if you’re interested.
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If anything exists, God must exist necessarily
Baseless assertion game! Let me try. Ostriches can’t fly, therefore they are not a bird.
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It's also called the cosmological argument for God's existence.
FoolaneCraig, wouldn’t that be the same argument for Jupiter’s existence, or Ahura Mazda? Or Baal Hadad or Aten? Just stop and think. And quit lying.
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