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re: Abortion from a Republican woman's perspective...
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:50 pm to gaetti15
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:50 pm to gaetti15
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See in Catholcism we have the confession and Eucharist.
We have alot of Catholics that don't believe in the things they are supposed to...some would even say the majority of Catholics.
But that doesn't not influence what God wants of us. Which is...yes...to limit sins and immorality...particularly those things listed in the 10 commandments and other things Jesus mentioned (love one another as I have loved you).
But think about this...Jesus didn't just go with the flow of rationality in politics back then...especially out of convenience
None of this answer my question.
A yes or a no will suffice.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 5:50 pm
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Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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None of this answer my question.
A yes or a no will suffice.
Yes.
What does that tell you about me? As opposed to somebody who believes the opposite?
Or is what God wants somewhere in the middle? Whichever is convenient for you but not him?
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:52 pm to gaetti15
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What God do you have envisioned?
Fool's gold for people who pay money to a pastor because they are scared.
When you die, you rot and the worms eat you. You really think there's a pearly gate and you also claim to be smart about anything else?
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:54 pm to Warrior Court
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When you die, you rot and the worms eat you. You really think there's a pearly gate and you also claim to be smart about anything else?
You are right about my body. It will be worm food...but guess what...I have hope that when that happens...and at the end of time....I will have my body back and I will be with my creator.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:57 pm to gaetti15
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You are right about my body. It will be worm food...but guess what...I have hope that when that happens...and at the end of time....I will have my body back and I will be with my creator.
if you have any more of that acid, I would gladly take some. we used to find mushrooms in the cow fields at Auburn that made me feel that way but I never got high enough to think that Donald Trump should be President.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Sure, and biologically that’s at conception.
No, the ultimate point is when the cells become a "pre-born child"
quote:I certainly am. I’ve been thinking about this issue and discussing with others for years. There are no new arguments. There is nothing new to consider. I am absolutely inflexible on my position after years of flexibility leading to firmness of conviction.
But, I expect you to rely on this again when discussing that issue:quote:
Sounds like you don't want dialogue but just to express your viewpoint.
You're going to "express your viewpoint" with inflexibility
There are, however, many who have not heard all the arguments or considered the logical conclusions and inconsistencies of their positions which is why I engage in this discussion with others.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:02 pm to FooManChoo
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There are, however, many who have not heard all the arguments or considered the logical conclusions and inconsistencies of their positions which is why I engage in this discussion with others.
Love it Foo...even though we may differ on the Pope among other things!
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:02 pm to gaetti15
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Yes.
What does that tell you about me?
We're not discussing you as a person, but I do appreciate your honesty to illustrate my point and the logical conclusion of your stance.
I'm only making points, not ad hom attacks.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It may be.
It may not be.
Literally millions upon millions disagree on this.
There isn't a specific answer to this question. If there was, the debate would be over.
You don't get to frame the discussion to get your desired result.
Here some science for you slowpro.
It will 100% grow into a small human baby if not aborted.
It is illegal in all 50 states to kill another human for convenience.
The pretzel logic and mental gymnastics the pro abortion (pro choice is a copout because people know it's basically murder) crowd puts itself through to convince themselves they haven't ended a human life is sad.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We're not discussing you as a person, but I do appreciate your honesty to illustrate my point and the logical conclusion of your stance.
So in your opinion, America shouldn't be built on morality? On the morality of the majority? ON the morality of the individual?
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:03 pm to Warrior Court
It’s not rocket science.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:08 pm to FooManChoo
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Sure, and biologically that’s at conception.
And many (as in millions) disagree.
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There are no new arguments. There is nothing new to consider.
I don't disagree, at this point in our existence at least.
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I am absolutely inflexible on my position
You're allowed to, legally, of course. However I take the opposite approach because I do not think we know and as proof I offer the incredibly divergent opinions.
Even viability, which is what I would be closet to adopting personally, is changing, as our medical application improves and we can make fetuses viable at earlier and earlier stages in the process. Unless science stops, even that standard will be changing, so even an inflexible, fact/logic-based opinion of viability changes over time.
But this is all personal-moral stances on the issue.
None of this applies to preferred political policies.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:13 pm to gaetti15
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America shouldn't be built on morality?
I think you just made a good case why we shouldn't base our legal system on how you view the intersection of personal morality and politics.
Your stance mandates something similar to a sharia law be implemented, up to and including belief in God/Jesus, which is where you have to get if you (1) base your morality on religion; (2) base your public law/political policies on that morality; and (3) consider any deviation as "hypocrisy".
And you're free to hold this view, but I don't think many will agree, which illustrates my point about the importance of separating personal-moral stances and political-policy stances, and how you can believe something is immoral without also mandating pollical-policies making that immorality illegal.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Given the evidence contradicts your statement, you are in fact asserting you do know.
I have openly said none of us know the instant those cells become a sentient human. That includes me. I have been clear on this.
The egg membrane changes once a sperm penetrates to begin fertilization. Another sperm cannot penetrate at that point. That is a clear point that does not change. I could apparently spend (more) hours on the subject, but you’re unwilling to accept that fact.
quote:It’s not a moral question. It’s a scientific one.
I haven't framed any such timeline for the morality discussion. I do not know the point.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not if you understand where religions came from.
If it makes you feel better, we can clarify this for religions that existed before Christianity/Judaism
So you believe it was man who formed God, instead of the opposite then? Morality stems from God because man stems from God. I think it is you who doessn't understand religion.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:14 pm to llfshoals
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Given the evidence contradicts your statement,
You mean "given my personal framing" contradicts your statement.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:15 pm to tommy2tone1999
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So you believe it was man who formed God,
Who do you think formed all the other gods other than God?
Of course man created those gods.
And I'm not being an edgelord. I said we would discuss this for religions that existed before Christianity/Judaism. I imagine you believe these religions were created by man, too.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I have openly said none of us know the instant those cells become a sentient human.
Sentience is not what defines the species Homo sapien. Biology defines that. Human life, in fact all life that reproduces sexually, begins at conception.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You mean "given my personal framing" contradicts your statement.
More moral relativism
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The Motherhood Penalty Exists whether you agree or not. There is lots of other data on this.
I was responding to your suggestion of a wage gap. There is no wage gap.
A study by Census Bureau researchers found that between two years before the birth of a couple’s first child and a year after, the earnings gap between opposite-sex spouses doubles. The gap continues to grow until that child reaches age 10. Though it narrows after that, it never disappears completely. This is referred to as the “Motherhood Penalty.”
Why is it considered a penalty when a mother chooses to work part-time so she can spend more time mothering, for example, and her employer elects to not pay her as if she was a full-time employee?
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