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Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:19 pm to Azkiger
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They're not. Women are. That was the point you, likely purposefully, missed.
And how exactly are women are exempt from accountability? Please mansplain pregnancy to me.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:19 pm to tommy2tone1999
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If he’s lucid then he’s alive.
So if he's lucid but still needs life support it'd be murder to kill him.
But if he's not lucid and needs life support it's ok to kill him?
There's only one thing here that's changing.
Sentience.
Why is the thing you're claiming doesn't play any role at all in determining how we view other living organisms the sole criteria responsible for the change between murder and not murder?
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:22 pm to Azkiger
Lucidity also means he has brain function and is conscious. Give it up and just say you have no idea WTF you’re talking about.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:23 pm to 4cubbies
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And how exactly are women are exempt from accountability?
Based on the standard you just laid out for men?
They get to choose whether or not they're held accountable for sex that ends in a pregnancy.
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Please mansplain pregnancy to me.
Assuming gender?
How bold of you.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:23 pm to tommy2tone1999
quote:
Lucidity also means he has brain function and is conscious.
Yes.
That doesn't change the argument I've presented.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:24 pm to madamtiger
quote:I want them tossed out of helicopters, for the most part.
You want to change the hearts and minds of pro-choice people?
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:24 pm to Azkiger
Sure Jan 
This post was edited on 9/1/24 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:25 pm to madamtiger
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#3 Society is going to shite. We all agree. Pumping more unwanted kids into an overloaded system with parents having no consequences for neglecting or abusing kids has got to end.
I hate, hate, HATE this argument, which is essentially that the most expedient solution to the problems of bad parenting and fatherlessness is to liquidate gestating babies. You're not compassionate for thinking in these terms, nor enlightened. You're a monster. As I've said to others who advance this notion, "How Mengele of you."
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I cannot imagine her being raped and impregnated and forced to make a baby with her rapist. She would lose her entire life right now. Its not merely an "inconvenience." Its life changing and can screw you up for life. She would lose her college life and definitely her job. For something she didn't deserve.
Neither did the new life that is the product of such evil. I have a daughter. I hate the thought of this, too. But the answer isn't to destroy the baby.
The rape / incest exception is largely a shibboleth, anyway. 9/10 times, if you say, "Okay, I'll give you the rape / incest exception if we can ban the rest, which are overwhelmingly elective and unnecessary," you'll get nothing but pushback.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:25 pm to Azkiger
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They get to choose whether or not they're held accountable for sex that ends in a pregnancy.
So you think getting pregnant isn’t accountability for having sex? But a man NOT getting pregnant is? And a woman getting an abortion isn’t accountability but a woman getting an abortion IS accountability for men?
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Assuming gender?
I’m not making any assumptions. You’ve made it abundantly clear you have a penis.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:26 pm to tommy2tone1999
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??????
You're not a child, use your brain to identify where you're not understanding the argument I'm making and ask a question to help clarify.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:28 pm to 4cubbies
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So you think getting pregnant isn’t accountability for having sex?
I think getting an abortion is shedding a major consequence of sex, which is something men do not have access to.
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I’m not making any assumptions. You’ve made it abundantly clear you have a penis.
"mansplain"
That's gendered language.
Some men don't have penises, and some women do.
Bigot.
This post was edited on 9/1/24 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:29 pm to ABearsFanNMS
My children lost a year and a half of high school because of COVID, and please tell me how I specifically had anything to do with the teacher’s union decision. I was against it. But you know, everything because you can’t see through your anger and just make assumptions.
Never mind, don’t answer it because you don’t have a legitimate answer.
And insulting me or Warrior or anyone is just your way of avoiding the topic. Supporting more unwanted kids and helping rape victims. You just can’t do it. You have no decent debating skills without insulting just like half the men on this thread and every other thread.
The reason I chose to be a teacher is none of your business and has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Keep up the insults. I love my job and you can insult it all you want. You sound like a great human.
Some crazy unhinged man that throws insults because someone wanted to have a dialogue you can’t handle intelligently.
Enjoy your playground insults. You’ve been a great asset to this conversation. Keep going! I’m sure everyone else that chooses to keep going on this board can handle you if the choose to torture themselves. . I’ll enjoy teaching…and my presidential candidate supporting my stance.
And the rest of the day off of this board.
Never mind, don’t answer it because you don’t have a legitimate answer.
And insulting me or Warrior or anyone is just your way of avoiding the topic. Supporting more unwanted kids and helping rape victims. You just can’t do it. You have no decent debating skills without insulting just like half the men on this thread and every other thread.
The reason I chose to be a teacher is none of your business and has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Keep up the insults. I love my job and you can insult it all you want. You sound like a great human.
Some crazy unhinged man that throws insults because someone wanted to have a dialogue you can’t handle intelligently.
Enjoy your playground insults. You’ve been a great asset to this conversation. Keep going! I’m sure everyone else that chooses to keep going on this board can handle you if the choose to torture themselves. . I’ll enjoy teaching…and my presidential candidate supporting my stance.
And the rest of the day off of this board.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:33 pm to UtahCajun
Respectfully, I have no sour grapes. It was a great decision and he is a great young man. My only sadness is that he feels the need to have to support that “dad.” But it’s his choice,, I’m happy for his life and that I chose life and I would just like to leave it there. Don’t understand why I have to defend anything from that long ago and I won’t anymore.
I’m done for today. This has turned into a defense of my life and character when I honestly wanted to have a talk about what’s going to now happen with the new bans. It has just not worked out that way.
I’m done for today. This has turned into a defense of my life and character when I honestly wanted to have a talk about what’s going to now happen with the new bans. It has just not worked out that way.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:42 pm to scottydoesntknow
quote:Sooo ... let's see if we've got your view point nailed (pun intended).
This is precisely why the founding fathers would would laughed at the idea of letting women vote. They understood the nature of women just as well as we do today, as did the generations beforehand.
Women lure men into unprotected sex totally against the man's will. Every high school date, every college bar rendezvous, carries an associated hope of seducing him and getting into his pants. Men on the other hand are the sexually responsible gender. Men think with their big head, and keep the little one in check. If they don't, they end up saddled with career subversion, goal deferring, child rearing, and a tendency to lifelong impoverishment.
Does that kinda sum up what scottydoesntknow ?
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:44 pm to madamtiger
quote:Goodness, you are so much more polite than is deserved here.
Respectfully, I have no sour grapes
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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Does that kinda sum up what scottydoesntknow ?
Not even close try again
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:49 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Sooo ... let's see if we've got your view point nailed (pun intended).
Women lure men into unprotected sex totally against the man's will. Every high school date, every college bar rendezvous, carries an associated hope of seducing him and getting into his pants. Men on the other hand are the sexually responsible gender. Men think with their big head, and keep the little one in check. If they don't, they end up saddled with career subversion, goal deferring, child rearing, and a tendency to lifelong impoverishment.
Does that kinda sum up what scottydoesntknow ?
Honest question.
I know many founding fathers saw the hypocrisy in allowing slavery to persist while voicing ideals of how every person has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Did any of them have similar reservations for women not being allowed to vote?
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:52 pm to scottydoesntknow
quote:I'm not "trying" at all, yet.
Not even close try again
You laid it all out in opposition to posts, including the OP, suggesting that if we want to restrict 1st trimester abortions, the dude who can't keep it in his pants, MUST be held fully responsible for his own actions ... for life.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:54 pm to madamtiger
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I honestly wanted to have a talk about what’s going to now happen with the new bans
Wait! New bans?
Maybe the lack of clarity here is what was needed for the discussion you wanted have.
You talking about a ban, or limits per State?
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