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re: All UVA fraternities suspended until next semester
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The issue is the culture of the fraternities and the administration.
Which is?
Turning a blind eye towards sexual assault. There is a stat where UVA has expelled X number of people for honor code infractions in the last decade or so, but not one for any sexual assault or misconduct. I'll try and dig it up.
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Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:29 pm to BuckyBadger
quote:Well, this is actually important.
Whether it actually happened is immaterial
If it didn't happen, and it isn't a "culture" issue, then what is the problem?
We learned very little from Tawana Brawley or Crystal Gail Mangum, didn't we?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:30 pm to Scruffy
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If it didn't happen, and it isn't a "culture" issue, then what is the problem?
What makes you think this is the only rape accusation or complaint?
https://www.safercampus.org/blog/2010/06/former-uva-student-and-rape-survivor-speaks-out-about-schools-apathy/
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:31 pm to REG861
quote:I'm making no claim either way, but if you are going to state that it isn't the only one, I would like you to prove it for me.
What makes you think this is the only rape accusation or complaint?
I have no doubts that rape has occurred on UVA's campus, but I would remiss to jump to the conclusion of "culture".
Don't jump to conclusions.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:32 pm to Scruffy
Edited to include a link
There was another website I wanted to include that was called "UVA victims of sexual assault" but coincidentally had been taken down.
Plus, I have anecdotal evidence from female family friends who went to UVA and said there was very much of a "blind eye" culture there.
There was another website I wanted to include that was called "UVA victims of sexual assault" but coincidentally had been taken down.
Plus, I have anecdotal evidence from female family friends who went to UVA and said there was very much of a "blind eye" culture there.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:36 pm to REG861
quote:I looked at it. Sad story, but not indicative of a "rape culture".
Edited to include a link
quote:I can only assume that everything on that website was proven to be factual, correct?
There was another website I wanted to include that was called "UVA victims of sexual assault" but coincidentally had been taken down.
quote:Sorry, but I will not accept anecdotal evidence.
Plus, I have anecdotal evidence from female family friends who went to UVA and said there was very much of a "blind eye" culture there.
All I'm saying is that jumping to conclusions via emotionally stimulating stories is what got us Tawana Brawley and Mangum.
If this "rape culture" is proven to be factual, I'll condemn it, but I'll hold off on taking a side until then.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:36 pm to REG861
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Plus, I have anecdotal evidence from female family friends who went to UVA and said there was very much of a "blind eye" culture there
I suspect that, though it would be difficult to prove, this is true at most prestigious universities. You can't ruin the life of a son of some wealthy or otherwise influential person over some "youthful indiscretion".
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:41 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Meaning you immediately assume the women are lying?
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Yes, let's hope they can sweep everything under the rug and get right back to the disgusting status quo.
Way to hold yourself to the standard you project unto others.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:49 pm to Scruffy
quote:Except it is a culture problem.
If it didn't happen, and it isn't a "culture" issue, then what is the problem?
Are you going on record that there were no other rapes? And thst the admin reacted differently in this case?
I'm pretty sure you didn't read the story.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:50 pm to BuckyBadger
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The point of the story was about the process. Whether she was attacked by one or 7 is immaterial. Whether it actually happened is immaterial, unless you believe she is he only rape victim.
The issue is the culture of the fraternities and the administration.
This times 1000.
The fact is, we teach our sisters and daughters that rape is part of being a woman. If it happens to them, then they need to shut up and toe the line.
You see this at every university and throughout society.
Why do you think 20 women have come out of the closet on the heels of the Bill Cosby allegations.
Shut up or else.
They need to burn all the frats down at Virginia....
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:50 pm to TK421
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I suspect that, though it would be difficult to prove, this is true at most prestigious universities. You can't ruin the life of a son of some wealthy or otherwise influential person over some "youthful indiscretion".
Look at the George Huguley kid..the UVA lacrosse player who killed his girlfriend. While I don't think there are other burgeoning murderers populating their campus, don't try and tell me that sort of entitlement isn't contagious.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:56 pm to asurob1
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The fact is, we teach our sisters and daughters that rape is part of being a woman. If it happens to them, then they need to shut up and toe the line.
I have literally never heard this line of thought ever uttered by a single person.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:57 pm to TK421
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I suspect that, though it would be difficult to prove, this is true at most prestigious universities. You can't ruin the life of a son of some wealthy or otherwise influential person over some "youthful indiscretion".
Pretty much.
I attended Florida State in the early to mid 80s.
People on campus use to joke it was the rape capitol of the US...(per capita).
A couple of years after I left this happened.
FSU frat gang rapes woman
The file in The State of Florida vs. Daniel Oltarsh reads like the tawdriest of fiction.
The main character is a privileged Big Man on Campus, living off his father`s trust fund, a member of the fraternity that declared itself the best on campus.
The victim is an 18-year-old woman, a freshman with a penchant for partying and a fragile mind.
Your kidding yourself if you think that this sort of thing hasn't happened before, isn't happening now and won't happen again on the campuses of the universities where we send our daughters and sisters.
This post was edited on 12/3/14 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:57 pm to asurob1
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The point of the story was about the process. Whether she was attacked by one or 7 is immaterial. Whether it actually happened is immaterial, unless you believe she is he only rape victim.
The issue is the culture of the fraternities and the administration.
This times 1000.
The fact is, we teach our sisters and daughters that rape is part of being a woman. If it happens to them, then they need to shut up and toe the line.
You see this at every university and throughout society.
Why do you think 20 women have come out of the closet on the heels of the Bill Cosby allegations.
Shut up or else.
They need to burn all the frats down at Virginia....
Deep end.
You've jumped off it
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:58 pm to asurob1
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I suspect that, though it would be difficult to prove, this is true at most prestigious universities. You can't ruin the life of a son of some wealthy or otherwise influential person over some "youthful indiscretion".
Pretty much.
I attended Florida State in the early to mid 80s.
People on campus use to joke it was the rape capitol of the US...(per capita).
Well rest assured things have changed, especially when it comes to athletics.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:59 pm to Antonio Moss
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I have literally never heard this line of thought ever uttered by a single person.
Talk to a few women some time.
Talk to them about some of the shite they have to endure just because they have tits.
Some of the horror stories my wife has told me about her time in college both enrage and sadden me.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 5:59 pm to Antonio Moss
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I have literally never heard this line of thought ever uttered by a single person.
Me neither. Hell, if you teach them self defense or to carry a weapon you get called a fearmonger.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 6:00 pm to REG861
Why did they suspend ALL fraternities if only phi psi is accused of any crime?
Posted on 12/3/14 at 6:00 pm to REG861
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Well rest assured things have changed, especially when it comes to athletics.
I know you are making a dig at fsu football.
But that entire case makes my point exactly.
Posted on 12/3/14 at 6:01 pm to asurob1
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Talk to a few women some time.
Talk to them about some of the shite they have to endure just because they have tits.
Some of the horror stories my wife has told me about her time in college both enrage and sadden me.
My wife, my sister, all my female friends . . .
not a single one has ever told me they were instructed to "let it go."
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