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re: Anybody watching Waco on Netflix?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:40 am to Wolfhound45
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:40 am to Wolfhound45
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If he was not under oath then it is not even worth discussing
Don't believe anyone or the government unless it was said under oath in a government building. Hypocrisy thou name is Wolfhound45
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Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:46 am to YeahYeah
You are so adorable.
For matters that are this grave, yes. Unlike you, I have a very demanding profession where lives are at risk. People count on me to perform my duties in a manner that is absolutely above reproach. The ATF and FBI are held to the same standard. They betrayed that trust.
For matters that are this grave, yes. Unlike you, I have a very demanding profession where lives are at risk. People count on me to perform my duties in a manner that is absolutely above reproach. The ATF and FBI are held to the same standard. They betrayed that trust.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:51 am to AllDayEveryDay
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But Koresh, a damaged youth, spun a religion practiced by a third of the Earth to benefit himself by luring those in need of group acceptance. They hardly focused on that, or the gun running. Or that he fricked a man's wife to say their kid was the second coming. Total spin.
None of this matters. You don't kill 82 people because of a couple of nuts.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 10:54 am to Wolfhound45
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For matters that are this grave, yes. Unlike you, I have a very demanding profession where lives are at risk. People count on me to perform my duties in a manner that is absolutely above reproach. The ATF and FBI are held to the same standard. They betrayed that trust.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:03 am to YeahYeah
Trust me, I wouldn’t expect anything more from a moral weakling like you. Just acceptable losses as far you are concerned. They deserved it. The story adds up. Move on. Don’t question the narrative. And unfortunately something similar will happen to your family one day. And no one will mourn it either. Fortunately for you, better men like me stand watch. Be thankful for that.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 11:06 am
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:11 am to Wolfhound45
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Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:11 am to NIH
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Careful, plenty of “conservatives” here will defend the FBI and ATF because they back the blue
Say what?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:20 am to Lakeboy7
If you understood anything about Koresh and his beliefs, you would have understood that everything that the ATF and the FBI did fed right into the narrative of his theology and fed the confrontation.
And I wouldn’t be disparaging anyone’s service on here. I will gladly compare records if you would care to. Considering you do not know in which capacity I have served I would be careful in my words. My commitment is to the profession of arms, period. And how they conducted themselves in the raid and siege was absolutely reprehensible. It took a manageable situation and caused it to spiral out of control. There were multiple opportunities to de-escalate and peacefully end the situation. They chose to escalate and played right into his end times narrative.
ETA: And the equivalent of two FBI “line officers” managed the conclusion of the siege. How successful was that? The intent is a peaceful resolution and successful prosecution of crimes committed. Not a pile of rubble and dead bodies.
ETA2: For getting my branch wrong and being dishonorable against a fellow service member. When you command two battalions and two brigades come back and tell me about your line time
ETA3: Come into my ER and OR when you are bleeding out and tell me medical is a joke jackass.
ETA4: A “line officer” like you who has multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan and has had their own children deploy into theater knows you use minimum force when there are non-combatants involved. And you also know to be culturally sensitive to Islamic beliefs when conducting a KLE. And yet you do not mind what happened at Waco. Talk about a damn hypocrite.
ETA5: A “line officer” committed the atrocity at My Lai. A helicopter pilot stopped it
Lost all respect for you for going where you went. Looks like you have run like a damn coward.
And I wouldn’t be disparaging anyone’s service on here. I will gladly compare records if you would care to. Considering you do not know in which capacity I have served I would be careful in my words. My commitment is to the profession of arms, period. And how they conducted themselves in the raid and siege was absolutely reprehensible. It took a manageable situation and caused it to spiral out of control. There were multiple opportunities to de-escalate and peacefully end the situation. They chose to escalate and played right into his end times narrative.
ETA: And the equivalent of two FBI “line officers” managed the conclusion of the siege. How successful was that? The intent is a peaceful resolution and successful prosecution of crimes committed. Not a pile of rubble and dead bodies.
ETA2: For getting my branch wrong and being dishonorable against a fellow service member. When you command two battalions and two brigades come back and tell me about your line time
ETA3: Come into my ER and OR when you are bleeding out and tell me medical is a joke jackass.
ETA4: A “line officer” like you who has multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan and has had their own children deploy into theater knows you use minimum force when there are non-combatants involved. And you also know to be culturally sensitive to Islamic beliefs when conducting a KLE. And yet you do not mind what happened at Waco. Talk about a damn hypocrite.
ETA5: A “line officer” committed the atrocity at My Lai. A helicopter pilot stopped it
Lost all respect for you for going where you went. Looks like you have run like a damn coward.
This post was edited on 4/25/20 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:34 am to MarinaTigerEsq
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I take it you also know about Edward Mandell House, his book, “Philip Dru, Administrator”
Am familiar with E.M. House but not his book. Will make time for it.
House is mentioned in the "former" MI6 agent Dr. Coleman's revealing book on Tavistock (originally Wellington House).
He actually uses the word "sinister" in describing E.M. House.
Quite early on, got an unexpected introduction into the actual nemesis of the West, i.e., marxism and all its continuing permutations, by happening upon C. Wright Mills' book The Marxists. He also wrote White Collar and The Power Elite.
It has a 1961 copyright, which is key because it was published at a time when the little cabal of sappers from Frankfurt who already had an over 20 year head start in their slick influence and effectiveness on an unwary, unsophisticated country, by having positioned themselves and the legions of acolytes they continued to produce so tactically in many of our critical institutions.
He was a professor and contemporary at Columbia University during the period of the revisionist Gramscian émigrés' takeover of its School of Journalism and its prestigious Teachers College.
From there they and the acolytes they produced spread to other institutions in the Ivy League and elsewhere, and out West which included their "second home" at Berkeley.
Mills, who drifted between liberalism and marxism throughout his life, decried what he called the "failure of liberalism."
Can only assume he eventually settled permanently into his true persona as a fine young marxist.
Have never believed that this Leftist pandemic that has swept across the West was some "residual" from Monterrey, Woodstock, Altamont, or that bunch that hung out in Laurel Canyon.
Marxian principles cloaked as liberalism had already been established in our institutions at least 10 years before those events.
Currently laboring through what have to be considered the two "unofficial" neo-Marxist "handbooks" which have somehow garnered an inordinate amount of credibility and acceptance in academia, media, and gov't - The Authoritarian Personality by Adorno, Frenkel-Brunswik, Levinson, and R. Nevitt Sanford - Foreword by the Father of Sensitivity Training/P.C. Max Horkheimer -and Marcuse's Eros and Civilization.
Have been through Bernays' Propaganda with its "unofficial" Foreword on the Internet version by the leftist Noam Chomsky.
Even the "Foreword" by Chomsky is revealing in how that particular mindset regards other humans who haven't undergone their level of successful indoctrination/conditioning.
Next up is Bernays' tome The Engineering of Consent.
It's a rehash of the role he played as propagandist in assisting the C.I.A. in their successful overthrow of the duly elected leader Arbenz in Guatemala in '54.
It's regarded as a "blueprint/how-to" on regime change.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 12:16 pm to Lakeboy7
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he could have sent the children out a thousand times.
And the ATF/FBI/Sheriff's office could have arrested Koresh a thousand times outside the compound.
Posted on 4/25/20 at 1:27 pm to RD Dawg
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And the ATF/FBI/Sheriff's office could have arrested Koresh a thousand times outside the compound.
No dramatic TV footage or federal budget increase when you do that though
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:52 pm to DyeHardDylan
So I was almost 24 at the time and consumed with a new baby -- we've watched the first 4 episode so far. Is it relatively accurate or is it biased?
Posted on 4/25/20 at 11:57 pm to DyeHardDylan
This shite makes my blood boil. How the ATF even still exists is shocking.
I’m more interested in how this one dude convinced all the other dudes in his little clan that he”s the only one that should be getting tang while they all stay celibate.
I’m more interested in how this one dude convinced all the other dudes in his little clan that he”s the only one that should be getting tang while they all stay celibate.
Posted on 4/26/20 at 12:02 am to Dustydubs
Even worse, how did he convince moms to let their 11 year old daughters have sex with him? ATF and FBI obviously botched the situation, but the series does a terrible job of portraying Koresh. Koresh comes across as likable, which is disturbing.
This post was edited on 4/26/20 at 12:03 am
Posted on 4/26/20 at 12:06 am to Ancient Astronaut
I want that secret super power, the ability to convince a ton of people that I’m the only one that should be banging all the poonytang. That to me is the single idea in the whole series that Really grabs me. Wtf???
Posted on 4/26/20 at 12:08 am to Taxing Authority
Sounds like you are in favor of cops killing unarmed people who are being erratic and aggressive.
Posted on 4/26/20 at 12:17 am to YeahYeah
Your excuses for the federal government massacring 76 people who had committed no act of unprovoked aggression on their own property are a little pathetic. Disagree with what they believed in all what you want, but they did nothing to deserve the hell they were put through.
Posted on 4/26/20 at 1:15 am to DyeHardDylan
They come out they all live.
Just come out.
Koresh didn't and his flock suffered.
Go to court unless you are afraid of the legitimate charges. They should have come out.
Just come out.
Koresh didn't and his flock suffered.
Go to court unless you are afraid of the legitimate charges. They should have come out.
Posted on 4/26/20 at 1:25 am to footswitch
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They come out they all live. Just come out. Koresh didn't and his flock suffered. Go to court unless you are afraid of the legitimate charges. They should have come out.
They shot him after he went out unarmed to talk to the agents, they shot one of his friends through the door, and then shot one of his wives who was nursing a baby through a window. Would you have come out? The psychological torture they were literally blasting into the compound probably didn’t help either.
This post was edited on 4/26/20 at 1:28 am
Posted on 4/27/20 at 5:16 am to Lakeboy7
I agree with your issue above but if you have a problem with the children not being sent out by Koresh then you should also have a problem with ATF damaging building and causing fires that ignited the structure and then knowing children were inside to perish?
Koresh is guilty of keeping children with their moms. ATF is guilty of killing the children. So who’s more guilty?
Koresh is guilty of keeping children with their moms. ATF is guilty of killing the children. So who’s more guilty?
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