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re: Arbery murder trial.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 10:47 am to SupermanSlim
Posted on 11/20/21 at 10:47 am to SupermanSlim
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I mean the defendant who was standing in front of his truck when Arbery ran around the truck, ran up to him, grabbed his shotgun, and punched him repeatedly.
Did you watch the video??
We ALL watched the video. One party spent the entire 5 minutes aggressively pursuing the other. That party provoked the confrontation.
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Posted on 11/20/21 at 10:51 am to OccamsStubble
That’s not in the video I saw.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 10:56 am to SupermanSlim
Give it up baw.
Them necks did some really dumb shite.
They deserve prison.
Them necks did some really dumb shite.
They deserve prison.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:00 am to SupermanSlim
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No. The video doesn’t show him shoot Arbery as soon as he runs in front of the truck. That is false.
You are definitely wrong here. He was shot at as soon as he got to the front of the truck. The only wrong statement I might have said was that it was the son that shot first, but it actually might have been the dad.
This post was edited on 11/20/21 at 11:00 am
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:11 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
Ok.. the video I linked does not show that. Do you have a link to whatever you have to shows this?
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:34 am to SupermanSlim
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Ok.. the video I linked does not show that. Do you have a link to whatever you have to shows this?
I watched your video. It has sound. You hear the shot as soon as he gets to the front of the truck. What more evidence do you want?
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:45 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
quote:Especially when you consider that the sound is delayed from what you see.
I watched your video. It has sound. You hear the shot as soon as he gets to the front of the truck. What more evidence do you want?
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:49 am to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
You’re arguing with a troll.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:49 am to OccamsStubble
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Don’t think you can claim self defense when you “don’t know if I saw anyone leaving” and yet you load up the truck, grab some guns, and chase someone, jump out of the truck, and when that person makes a direct attempt to avoid you, you cross over the width of a truck with your gun pointed at him.
You can claim it in that situation.
The claim will just get laughed out of court.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:54 am to SupermanSlim
I’m a 2A guy through and through but in this case they chased him down then pointed a gun at him. What they “thought” he did is irrelevant. It’s murder.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:55 am to SupermanSlim
They’re headed to prison for a very long time
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:56 am to SupermanSlim
Overall, I think that the McMichaels were well-intentioned, but dumb and needlessly aggressive.
Arbery repeatedly went to the construction site. I don't want folks getting gunned down for misdemeanors (trespassing) or even non-violent felonies (burglary and/or felony theft, which is worst case), but to pretend Arbery was some model citizen who didn't have a hand in his own demise is the worst sort of analysis one can make.
The police, in failing to act, have some moral fault in this and, at the very least, should be held accountable by the media and political entities (but I suspect they won't). In not enforcing the law by investigating and finding Arbery first, this implicitly encouraged citizens to take the law into their own hands and this is likely a factor in Arbery's death.
And back to the McMichaels, however well-intentioned I believe them to be, they created a charged situation by, essentially, forming a posse, boxing Arbery in and creating a charged environment which led to his death. Putting myself in Arbery's place, once they crowded him and brandished guns, what other choice did he have?
If he was in the commission of a felony (which is certainly possible, but unlikely to ever be proven definitively), I'm not sure he had the right of self-defense. On the other hand, if the McMichaels didn't have legal grounds for a citizen's arrest (which I concede appears a possibility under the statute, but increasingly seems UNLIKELY to have been the case), then they bear the risk by bringing lethal force into this particular equation.
While I'm having a tough time thinking this fits within classic murder statute, if they were not attempting a valid citizen's arrest, I'm having trouble in concluding they are not at least guilty of manslaughter and potentially some conspiracy charges (unlawful imprisonment, etc.) That's just where I'm at with it and I didn't see everything the jury saw.
Arbery repeatedly went to the construction site. I don't want folks getting gunned down for misdemeanors (trespassing) or even non-violent felonies (burglary and/or felony theft, which is worst case), but to pretend Arbery was some model citizen who didn't have a hand in his own demise is the worst sort of analysis one can make.
The police, in failing to act, have some moral fault in this and, at the very least, should be held accountable by the media and political entities (but I suspect they won't). In not enforcing the law by investigating and finding Arbery first, this implicitly encouraged citizens to take the law into their own hands and this is likely a factor in Arbery's death.
And back to the McMichaels, however well-intentioned I believe them to be, they created a charged situation by, essentially, forming a posse, boxing Arbery in and creating a charged environment which led to his death. Putting myself in Arbery's place, once they crowded him and brandished guns, what other choice did he have?
If he was in the commission of a felony (which is certainly possible, but unlikely to ever be proven definitively), I'm not sure he had the right of self-defense. On the other hand, if the McMichaels didn't have legal grounds for a citizen's arrest (which I concede appears a possibility under the statute, but increasingly seems UNLIKELY to have been the case), then they bear the risk by bringing lethal force into this particular equation.
While I'm having a tough time thinking this fits within classic murder statute, if they were not attempting a valid citizen's arrest, I'm having trouble in concluding they are not at least guilty of manslaughter and potentially some conspiracy charges (unlawful imprisonment, etc.) That's just where I'm at with it and I didn't see everything the jury saw.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:58 am to idlewatcher
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Regardless, the white guys could’ve handled it better instead of being vigilantes
The father is an retired cop.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 12:05 pm to the808bass
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You’re arguing with a troll.
I guess that's why he disappeared when his algorithm had no additional swim lanes.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 12:07 pm to SupermanSlim
The phone camera man should be shot for bad camera work.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 12:38 pm to Auburn1968
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The phone camera man should be shot for bad camera work.
He gets a pass from me. He was trying to drive, murder, and film all at the same time.
This post was edited on 11/20/21 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 11/20/21 at 12:39 pm to SupermanSlim
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What are your thoughts on this one??
Arbery was a thug who was absolutely casing homes/new-builds in that neighborhood, of that there is no doubt whatsoever, but that doesn't mean that executing him is justified.
This post was edited on 11/20/21 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 11/20/21 at 12:47 pm to Auburn1968
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The father is an retired cop.
I'm not sure why this matters
Posted on 11/20/21 at 12:56 pm to plazadweller
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They're headed to prison for a very long time
Including the 3rd guy, the one taking the video?
Posted on 11/20/21 at 12:58 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Investigate what? He wasn't seen taking anything a video, and a white guy was seen on camera taking things from cars.
The police, in failing to act, have some moral fault in this and, at the very least, should be held accountable by the media and political entities (but I suspect they won't). In not enforcing the law by investigating and finding Arbery first, this implicitly encouraged citizens to take the law into their own hands and this is likely a factor in Arbery's death
The homeowner wasn't calling police. He would just call Diego and tell him "the colored guy" was in the house. Diego got pissed because he thought the homeowner was calling police too, but instead just had Diego go over like his private security.
In any case police aren't going to track down someone for trespassing.
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