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re: Argentina is making South American style socialism look bad.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Holy fricking shite. You're such a sick, demented piece of shite.
Holy fricking shite. You're insane.
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:52 am to Scruffy
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Take the discussion on DOGE.
It could be the most successful program in US history and he will still argue that it either didn’t perform well enough or that he supported it all along.
You're wrong.
I'm fine with the aim of DOGE, but I'm already on record of how I predict this will go, and that's completely fricking up the recommendations and making no progress once these frickups are enjoined and then thrown out by the courts. Then, instead of acknowledging reality, people will cope with talking points like "lawfare" instead.
I hope Trump can get Congress to pass these reforms via legislation and do it properly. I'm no fan of the regulatory state.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:55 am to Bourre
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Link Trump’s platform
Agenda 47
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If……If…….If…….lf
Yeah, I'm giving you this option of Trump being successful in his actual platform. This is giving you the argument and discussing the impacts.
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You sound like an emotional leftist bitch.
No I don't. Your irrationality and emotional projection doesn't change how I am discussing this issue.
Just look at the silliness of this post and your irrationality above.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:55 am to GusAU
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You're such a sick, demented piece of shite.
Only in the lies you create in your insane head, brother.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Holy shite you are fricking retarded with brain rot. You must live a lonely life. People on this board can’t stand you, I can’t even imagine how much people hate you in real life.
Anywho, not going to respond to your pedo arse so this thread isn’t derailed any longer
Anywho, not going to respond to your pedo arse so this thread isn’t derailed any longer
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:13 am to Bourre
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Holy shite you are fricking retarded with brain rot.
The irony is strong
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I can’t even imagine how much people hate you in real life.
...and it continues
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Anywho, not going to respond to your pedo arse
When SFP is really proven right, the SUPER ad homs and insanity comes out
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:34 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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The "math" does work.
I thought we were talking about debt and deficit spending, not just "can we pay for SS". You could zero out our entire military budget and we're still running a deficit.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm fine with the aim of DOGE, but I'm already on record of how I predict this will go, and that's completely fricking up the recommendations and making no progress once these frickups are enjoined and then thrown out by the courts. Then, instead of acknowledging reality, people will cope with talking points like "lawfare" instead.
You think DOGE will fail due to legal issues, yet you want Trump taking on Social Security?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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I wish Trump would learn this lesson.
The TDS always takes over.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's not TDS. I said I wish he would do what Millei did.
bullshite. That's not what you said or how you meant it. You implied Trump is pro-liberal/socialist style big government... and implying that is complete TDS nonsense.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:44 am to Flats
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I thought we were talking about debt and deficit spending, not just "can we pay for SS". You could zero out our entire military budget and we're still running a deficit.
That's the part that doesn't seem to resonate.
We have to get all of those SS tax receipts AND reduce SS spending to make a dent, mathematically (I understand this would take changing the nature of how we segregate the admin and budgeting of the program functionally).
We could 0 out discretionary spending (admin, bureaucracy, and military) and I don't think long-term we could deal with the deficit as interest expanded our debtload and increases our annual debt payments.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:45 am to Flats
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I thought we were talking about debt and deficit spending, not just "can we pay for SS". You could zero out our entire military budget and we're still running a deficit.
The SS number was just one data point.
We are spending trillions in war, proxy war and nation building that are often not even budgeted.
But hey, it's just a drop in the bucket.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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DOGE is a nothingburger in the big picture.
JFC...
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:46 am to WeeWee
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This article is a month old but according to X and reddit Argentina had another budget surplus in November and will end 2024 with a budget surplus. Argentina is the only South American country to have a budget surplus in many years. Just goes to show that smaller government is better government.
What’s the poverty rate?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:47 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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You think DOGE will fail due to legal issues
DOGE will have no power. They will only make recommendations.
Trump's admin will have to enact those recommendations, and I think they will fail at this (as they did in his first admin).
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yet you want Trump taking on Social Security
With Congress. I think he'll believe he doesn't need Congress to implement DOGE recommendations and will do it unilaterally through the admin (like in his first term).
In an ideal world, he'd use the bully pulpit of the Presidency like Milei did in Argentina to get Congress on board. Trump can't force Congress to act, but currently, he's on the wrong side of fixing this issue (with Congress, to a large extent).
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:49 am to LegalEazyE
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That's not what you said or how you meant it.
That's literally what I said and how I meant it. Trump's leftist economics has always been my biggest criticism and this is no different.
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You implied Trump is pro-liberal/socialist style big government.
He's a YUGE spender my man. I don't know what to tell you if you don't acknowledge this.
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and implying that is complete TDS nonsense.
Stating reality is not "TDS nonsense"
Look at that line pre-2020. No discernable difference in rate of governmental increase in spending/debt from fricking Obama.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:50 am to Flats
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Just keeping us out of wars and nation-building would solve most of the problems we currently have.
I don't think that math works. I'm tired of funding the world as much as the next person, but monetarily it's not driving this bus.
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If the size of the Federal government were reduced by 50% the savings would be in the hundreds of billions of dollars. This reduction in the federal government would also allow the states to manage their own fiscal needs and responsibilities. Now add in domestic economic policies that would encourage GDP growth of at least 3-4% annually and the nation could begin the long slog of reducing US debt.......but wait! Let's also pass a balanced budget amendment.
Now, take a close look at total military spending per year.
In 2024 the US spent nearly $1 trillion on military spending. The US is spending more annually on military spending than the next 9 countries combined. One would think $1 trillion of military spending would ensure no other country should be challenging the US for military superiority or even have the military hardware and technology to do so, yet China and Russia combined spend less than half of what the US spends on their military budgets and are quite capable both technologically and by sheer volume of military hardware to present quite a challenge to the US...........something does not add up, the US should have no equal and no challenger when the US is out spending their global adversaries (primarily China and Russia combined) nearly 2:1
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's the part that doesn't seem to resonate.
It does resonate. Everyone in this thread likely understands what you are saying.
But you are being dismissive of probably the biggest proposed spending cuts in modern history. No other president is even willing the stop the increase in spending, much less cut.
Will they be successful? I don't know.
Will it be enough? Probably not.
Can they cut more in the future if this is successful? Yes.
If they can create a culture where cutting government and spending is accepted and prove that it can be done, then perhaps some of the sacred cows can be cut in the future.
Certainly, the democrats would not be proposing this. They would be proposing massive spending increases.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:55 am to Bass Tiger
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If the size of the Federal government were reduced by 50% the savings would be in the hundreds of billions of dollars. This reduction in the federal government would also allow the states to manage their own fiscal needs and responsibilities. Now add in domestic economic policies that would encourage GDP growth of at least 3-4% annually and the nation could begin the long slog of reducing US deb
When you say "Federal government" you mean discretionary spending, right?
I assume this because you say "hundreds of billions of dollars".
This + your GDP growth won't fix things. The math doesn't work long-term. If you reduced all discretionary spending, it probably wouldn't pay for the current deficit. Doing it by half will still require a sizeable amount of new debt every year.
Our GDP growing 3-4% annually isn't a fly on a gnat's dick compared to our deficit/debt. We cannot grow our way out of this problem.
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China and Russia combined spend less than half of what the US spends on their military budgets and are quite capable both technologically and by sheer volume of military hardware to present quite a challenge to the US
This is not true
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the US should have no equal and no challenger
We do not
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