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re: Big Bang theory wrong? Star older than Universe discovered - threat of ‘scientific crisis’
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:08 pm to broski722
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:08 pm to broski722
quote:in philosophy, this question is called a category mistake. "creation" is a notion that is "this universe." God does not exist in this universe. therefore, it is not logical to apply a this universe concept to God who is outside of this universe. God was not "created."
How did God come to be? What/who created God?
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:08 pm to TBoy
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Is this controversial?
Only in climate science.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:08 pm to Blaeke
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Checkmate, theists!
yeah. no theist has EVER heard that one before.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:09 pm to Dale51
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Does anybody really know what time it is..
Time is what keeps everything from happening at once. Therefore there has to be time or else all causality breaks down. Moreover, Einstein proved time is relative based on the reference frame of the observer. So we know time is a real dynamic thing.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:12 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:To be fair, this is partly because the human mind can't even conceptualize what "nothing" is.
I understand that it is almost incomprehensible for our minds to grasp, but I just don’t get how there was nothing and then something. I’m not using this to argue in favor of a god
Stephan Hawking once said, in regards to the universe expanding...……"even we ask the question, "into what'"?
As in. Great. It's expanding. What was in the space it expanded in to before it expanded?
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:13 pm to AUFan2015
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Previous research had estimated that the Milky Way galaxy's so-called "Methuselah star" is up to 16 billion years old. That's a problem, since most researchers agree that the Big Bang that created the universe occurred about 13.8 billion years ago. Now a team of astronomers has derived a new, less nonsensical age for the Methuselah star, incorporating information about its distance, brightness, composition and structure. "Put all of those ingredients together, and you get an age of 14.5 billion years, with a residual uncertainty that makes the star's age compatible with the age of the universe," study lead author Howard Bond, of Pennsylvania State University and the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore, said in a statement.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:13 pm to dukkbill
quote:Maybe Q created it just to toy with Picard in 400 years?
Q predicted this star
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:13 pm to AUFan2015
I believe in quantum brain universe theory. It is like there is light that we can see and there is dark. Everything in-between is just the grey matter like in our brains. So the universe exists in our brains and externally at the same exact time. It is kinda like the Matrix but cubed.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:15 pm to broski722
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How did God come to be? What/who created God?
Well, youre first problem is thinking that God is a 'thing'. God is creation, pure energy. You only know of God due to the very limiting descriptions that men have cobbled together
But God is everything, everywhere. After becoming sentient he searched the cosmos, and found nothing. He then determined there would be something, so he first created light, using his therefore unknown ability (even to him) to bring all into existence
The rest is written as history, as best as it can be by humans. As that single creative force attempted to communicate with us in our extremely limited ability to comprehend
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:17 pm to HempHead
quote:wrong bc they've been so sure of themselves about the timing, they can't go back on that now. It's always double down and find a new route.
This would only disprove the accepted timeframe, not the theory itself.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:18 pm to RobbBobb
It takes just as much faith to believe in most scientific theories as religion maybe even more.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:19 pm to AUFan2015
quote:
Express
This site is notorious for posting outright fake news
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:19 pm to RobbBobb
God = Universe
He is everything and he is nothing. God just is.
He is everything and he is nothing. God just is.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:22 pm to white beans
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean they're making it up. The age of the universe has always been an estimate. Even if this star is old as this article claims it doesn't disprove anything
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:24 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:it's been stated by you brilliant scientists on td numerous times how the big bang theory isn't a theory but a law. Guess you were too busy those days.
Science outside of Law is never settled.
You don’t know how “science” works.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:25 pm to broski722
Logical thought tells us that something or, someone, has ALWAYS existed and, thus, didn't need something/someone to "cause" him to come into existence. For me, the most likely answer is that we have a creator, aka "God", who has always existed and who created this universe and the life that exists in it.
Now, if one doesn't believe in a creator, then I suppose they have to believe that the universe created existence and caused itself to come into existence. I, however, cannot think of anything in the universe that has the ability to "create itself", the universe included.
Logical thought should lead a reasonable person to conclude that it's HIGHLY likely that we have a creator. Combine that with all of the other anecdotal evidence of God, then one should have little doubt that we have a creator.
Of course, there are those who are committed atheists and will go along with any theory, as long as it involved anything but "God". I call them "ABG" theorists.
Now, if one doesn't believe in a creator, then I suppose they have to believe that the universe created existence and caused itself to come into existence. I, however, cannot think of anything in the universe that has the ability to "create itself", the universe included.
Logical thought should lead a reasonable person to conclude that it's HIGHLY likely that we have a creator. Combine that with all of the other anecdotal evidence of God, then one should have little doubt that we have a creator.
Of course, there are those who are committed atheists and will go along with any theory, as long as it involved anything but "God". I call them "ABG" theorists.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:27 pm to K9Buck
Then what created God? This where religious people usually go with some BS route that God always existed which makes no sense
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:28 pm to AUFan2015
Who knows. Who cares.
Let’s just get to mining those asteroids before China cuts off our access to rare earth elements.
Let’s just get to mining those asteroids before China cuts off our access to rare earth elements.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:31 pm to dawgfan24348
Suppose we could travel back in time... Could we miss our exit and keep going until there is another universe? Just because you can't see beyond the observable beginning doesn't mean there wasn't something before it. Just because you started recording something in VHS when you turned the TV on doesn't mean there wasn't programming before you turned on the switch. You can't view it though because you didn't hit record.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:34 pm to scottfruget
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My favorite part of this whole charade is that they think they “know” how much iron a star has that far away and how old it actually is.
They know more than you.
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