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re: BOOM! Chaffetz " DOJ IG to investigate leaks"
Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:36 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:36 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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The entire phony Russian narrative and the sanctions were a setup. The Obama admin knew full well that by imposing sanctions against Russia, the Russians would reach out to the new incoming Trump admin, and when they did, the previous admin was listening in. They were desperate to find a Trump/Russia connection to bolster their narrative that Trump wasn't legitimately elected. The Obama admin used sanctions to manipulate Russia into "establishing" such a connection. The problem is that the connection is not a legitimate connection in the sense the Russians and Trump were working in collusion. Its merely designed to give the appearance of a connection.
Yes because installing sanctions on a government that was found by 17 intelligence agencies to be behind the hackings is such a ridiculous step to take. No it couldn't of been that simple, it has to be more nefarious. It had to be because they were trying to play Trump in a gotcha game.
But like i said, lets have a full congressional investigation into the Trump administrations ties to Russia, then you all can sit back and laugh if nothing comes out of it.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 12:38 am
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Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:39 am to NOLA Bronco
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es because installing sanctions on a government that was found by 17 intelligence agencies to be behind the hackings is such a ridiculous step to take.
They never came to that conclusion.
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It had to be because they were trying to play Trump in a gotcha game.
They did try. Why would Obama sign that EO in the last month of his presidency?
Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:42 am to NOLA Bronco
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17 intelligence agencies
The dems love to float that number out there. Do you know who was in that 17? Organizations like the Coast Guard intelligence. The DEA.
Yeah Im sure both of those organizations put a lot of manpower and time into the DNC hacks. They put their top men on it. Top. Men.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:48 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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There's a 90% chance this is what the conversation went like.
Russian Guy: Hey so Flynn, can we do anything about these sanctions?
Flynn: Yeah man we're obviously gonna look at things like that after the inauguration.
Butthurt Obama appointees and MSM: Flynn talked about Sanctions!!!!!!!!!
Pence to Flynn: You talk about sanction?
Flynn to Pence: No dude.
Then why did Flynn resign, I thought Trumpistas didn't back down.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 12:49 am
Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:52 am to Jjdoc
If you think back to the transition period, the Obama admin was throwing out so many road blocks that people were openly questioning whether or not it was being done to purposely make things more difficult for the Trump admin to get rolling. Things like tons of new regs, banning offshore drilling, Kerry trashing the Israelis, the US abstaining from a vote condemning Israel settlements, and the end of the Cuban immigration policy, which in my opinion was a trap set for Trump to stumble into so that he could be beat over the head with it when the immigration issue comes up. The Russian sanctions were also part of this large group of actions. Don't forget that the previous admin investigated and determined Russian involvement in the election process and then dropped sanctions on them in less than 2 months. They weren't hunting Russian involvement in the election, they were driving the Russians to Trump through the use of sanctions because they needed to connect the two.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:56 am to montanagator
We have already told you. Trust was broken.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:57 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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The Russian sanctions were also part of this large group of actions. Don't forget that the previous admin investigated and determined Russian involvement in the election process and then dropped sanctions on them in less than 2 months. They weren't hunting Russian involvement in the election, they were driving the Russians to Trump through the use of sanctions because they needed to connect the two.
This is when you go off the ropes into conspiracy territory.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 12:58 am to Blizzard of Chizz
I agree. The whole Russians stole the election and hacked the elections.... HUGE play on words.
Did they try to influence? YEP! Do we? YEP! We spent tax payers dollars to try to get a new PM in Israel!
Hell we over threw a Gov and tried to do it again in Syria!
Did they try to influence? YEP! Do we? YEP! We spent tax payers dollars to try to get a new PM in Israel!
Hell we over threw a Gov and tried to do it again in Syria!
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:01 am to Jjdoc
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I agree. The whole Russians stole the election and hacked the elections.... HUGE play on words.
Did they try to influence? YEP! Do we? YEP! We spent tax payers dollars to try to get a new PM in Israel!
This is quite the false equivalency you are setting up to try and excuse Russian espionage.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:09 am to NOLA Bronco
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But like i said, lets have a full congressional investigation into the Trump administrations ties to Russia, then you all can sit back and laugh if nothing comes out of it.
There is no connection. Anyone with half a brain would expect the Russian govt or any govt for that matter to reach out to an incoming new administration, if the one on the way out slapped sanctions on them under very dubious circumstances. You would definitely reach out to them if the newly elected President had made it a point of his campaign to say he wanted a better relationship with you.
The argument from the Dems is that Trump isn't legit because the Russians tried to influence our elections. The only problem with that argument is connecting them together. If you can't connect Trump to Russia, then by default Trump won fair and square and he's legit. That's not an acceptable outcome for the Dems or from an admin who wants to protect its legacy. If you can't find a connection, you create one. That's what they tried to do with the sanctions, and they are now using phone calls they knew full well would take place as proof of such a connection.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:15 am to NOLA Bronco
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This is when you go off the ropes into conspiracy territory.
You mean like accusing the sitting president of backroom dealings with Russians to influence an election? You mean like the NYT writing articles accusing the DNS of offering easing of sanctions prior to being appointed in return for hacked emails or whatever the quid-pro-quo was supposed to be? And in the same article very clearly stating that there is no evidence of the accusations beyond a simple conversation with an ambassador, but that didn't stop them of send an alert tweet about Flynn's confirmed dealings with the Russians.
It's hilarious that you leftists are so hell bent on conspiracy theories now because you've realized the ideology you hold so dear is being shown the light of reality. Let's spend the money on an investigation that is going to show the psychosis of the left regarding freaking Russia is only just the beginning and they're going to want an investigation into the damn toilet paper Trump uses to wipe his arse.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 1:19 am
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:15 am to NOLA Bronco
Nobody excused anything.
Are you saying that the media reporting the PM of a European country dislikes Trump isn't the same?
I have 100% confidence that Trump can handle Putin.
Btw.. was it espionage for those countries speaking out against Trump? Maybe he should do what you all said he would.... Isolationism...
Are you saying that the media reporting the PM of a European country dislikes Trump isn't the same?
I have 100% confidence that Trump can handle Putin.
Btw.. was it espionage for those countries speaking out against Trump? Maybe he should do what you all said he would.... Isolationism...
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:20 am to Cracking
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You mean like accusing the sitting president of backroom dealings with Russians to influence an election? You mean like the NYT writing articles accusing the DNT of offering easing of sanctions prior to being appointed in return for hacked emails or whatever the quid-pro-quo was supposed to be? And in the same article very clearly stating that there is no evidence of the accusations beyond a simple conversation with an ambassador, but that didn't stop them of send an alert tweet about Flynn's confirmed dealings with the Russians.
No, I mean going off the deep end by substituting fact for conspiracy and evidence for speculation and treating it like fact.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:24 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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There is no connection. Anyone with half a brain would expect the Russian govt or any govt for that matter to reach out to an incoming new administration, if the one on the way out slapped sanctions on them under very dubious circumstances. You would definitely reach out to them if the newly elected President had made it a point of his campaign to say he wanted a better relationship with you.
The argument from the Dems is that Trump isn't legit because the Russians tried to influence our elections. The only problem with that argument is connecting them together. If you can't connect Trump to Russia, then by default Trump won fair and square and he's legit. That's not an acceptable outcome for the Dems or from an admin who wants to protect its legacy. If you can't find a connection, you create one. That's what they tried to do with the sanctions, and they are now using phone calls they knew full well would take place as proof of such a connection.
So you could spare 7 investigations into Benghazi but we should just trust nothing nefarious went on with Russia and members of the Trump administration or other foreign governments. Even though this is not just our intelligence community, but intelligence agencies of our allies intercepting communications between Trump advisors and Russian government officials.
No hypocrisy detected on your end.
This post was edited on 2/16/17 at 1:27 am
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:27 am to NOLA Bronco
It's over. CNN and NBC reporting nothing was found.
Now we move to the leaks
Now we move to the leaks
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:28 am to Jjdoc
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Nobody excused anything.
Are you saying that the media reporting the PM of a European country dislikes Trump isn't the same?
I have 100% confidence that Trump can handle Putin.
Btw.. was it espionage for those countries speaking out against Trump? Maybe he should do what you all said he would.... Isolationism...
Still waiting on those sources champ. You can waste an hour plus in poor attempts to troll but can't manage to gather up a single source to your earlier assertions.
Louisiana schools living up to their reputations.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:31 am to NOLA Bronco
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No, I mean going off the deep end by substituting fact for conspiracy and evidence for speculation and treating it like fact.
OK this is exactly what the NYT and most liberals are doing currently with this whole Russia thing being related in any way to Trump. There is no evidence and no fact relating the two, and in the NYT article it even states there is no evidence of illegal activity and no evidence of Trump directing Flynn and no evidence that Flynn discussed sanctions with the Russian ambassador. But they continue to tweet and print provocative conspiracy theories.
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:32 am to NOLA Bronco
Posted on 2/16/17 at 1:32 am to NOLA Bronco
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No, I mean going off the deep end by substituting fact for conspiracy and evidence for speculation and treating it like fact.
If the NYT's and others are free to speculate on the facts regarding a phone conversation in response to Obama's sanctions, than I am free to speculate on the motives behind the sanctions. You can't deny that the Dems have been pushing this Russian conspiracy crap since election night, and you can't deny that Obama himself said there was nothing to it before the election. The Dems don't give a damn about the Russians, at least they didn't until they got their arse handed to them on election night. The only thing they care about is delegitimizating Trump. Trump is the target, not the Russians. Had Hillary won, there would be no Russian election stealing stories and there would be no Russian sanctions, because again the Dems don't give a damn about Russians.
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