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re: Canada is really choosing to forgo trade and security with the USA for China
Posted on 1/18/26 at 1:16 pm to stout
Posted on 1/18/26 at 1:16 pm to stout
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Mark Carney is supposed to be an economic genius, yet he keeps fumbling trade with the USA because he's pissed that Trump leveled the playing field instead of letting them continue to rape us, and also stopping Canada from knowingly allowing transshipments of Chinese steel into the USA
Mark Carney is, I'm sure, technically smart... but I suspect Lou Tepper might have have been technically smart as a coach, too.
He's basically a WEF insider making Canada act in a way that is in the interests of the WEF... which is explicitly antithetical to Trump's desire for a strong, independent United States. The WEF, UN, and the various components of the international order are generally content to siphon off money and resources from the US and consider us an ally in this regard... They all like us when we're a well-behaved blood host. If we assert our own interests and if it doesn't align to their agenda, you see the machine react to stop such actions through all of its' levers.
It is as simple as that, and through that lens, I would fully expect Carney to cozy up to China before he would make a rational peace and mutually respectful agreement with Trump.
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Posted on 1/18/26 at 1:36 pm to TBoy
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Why would Canada seek arrangements with the U.S.? Trump is irrational. No one can rely on what he says. Ask the Iranian protesters Trump said he would protect.
Twice on page 1 you misuse the concept of rationality.
If you consider a basic definition of a rational actor:
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rational actor is a concept in social sciences describing an individual or entity that makes decisions by logically weighing all available information, costs, and benefits to choose the option that best serves their self-interest and maximizes their desired outcomes (utility)
Trump is absolutely rational in his desire to act in the self-interest of the United States being strong and not being taken advantage of financially. In contrast, it's pretty easy to call out media and protestors in MN as irrational for hindering efficient law enforcement (on many levels).
I don't know the details of Carney's renewed agreement with China. Sounds like it's good for the 2 million Chinese Canadians since Carney appears to be kissing their arse. Probably good for other big business and banking interests. Not so sure it's rational if any deal was done simply as a matter of avoiding making a mutually beneficial deal with the US.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 1:56 pm to crazy4lsu
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Secondly, Trump was the president who renegotiated NAFTA to the USMCA. What trust can anyone have in him if he himself still calls deals that he signed off on unfair? That makes no sense.
It's not uncommon for companies to make deals, then subsequently renegotiate deals as circumstances change. Why must trust be an issue here? ... except that you want to push a narrative that paints Trump in a negative light (untrustworthy in this case). You would have to prove that renegotiations are generally due to an untrustworthy partner for this argument to have merit.
I could just as easily suggest the 2018 NAFTA deal was all Trump could get across the finish line at that time due to limited support, but that he always wanted some of newer provisions he's pushing for now. Or perhaps over 8-10 years, his understanding has deepened. In this context, there is no breach of trust.
We're talking trade negotiations, after all, not holy and unchangeable church scripture.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 4:13 pm to epbart
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It's not uncommon for companies to make deals, then subsequently renegotiate deals as circumstances change. Why must trust be an issue here? ... except that you want to push a narrative that paints Trump in a negative light (untrustworthy in this case). You would have to prove that renegotiations are generally due to an untrustworthy partner for this argument to have merit.
I could just as easily suggest the 2018 NAFTA deal was all Trump could get across the finish line at that time due to limited support, but that he always wanted some of newer provisions he's pushing for now. Or perhaps over 8-10 years, his understanding has deepened. In this context, there is no breach of trust.
We're talking trade negotiations, after all, not holy and unchangeable church scripture.
The Canadians have been about as trustworthy as you can get out of an ally. They are part of our Atlanticist strategy, which has been the lynchpin of our foreign policy, for over 100 years. Given the importance that Trump himself seems to place on that region, it obviously still is extremely important, otherwise why would he bring up Greenland at all? Secondly, what specific parts does he want renegotiated? The last USMCA hinged on automobiles, IP, dairy and how to resolve disputes. The Fentanyl thing coming from Canada was always nonsense.
Lastly, trust is extremely important in international relations. It is the basis of international relations, in fact. The truth is that Trump's capriciousness in this regard is a hindrance. His statements on Canada becoming the 51st state created real antagonism where there was none before and then lost himself a willing potential partner in the Conservatives in Canada for more of the same milquetoast Liberals. The reality is that even though many of us know that Trump just says things sometimes, in international relations, this is the only thing they have to go by, which means that their only choice is often to go by what he says.
It has lead to a situation where no one gets any benefit at all, upending years of hard work, and creates geopolitical flashpoints out of nowhere.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 4:14 pm to stout
They'll be a Bazilified mish mash of Asian trash soon anyway. May as well go ahead and swear fealty to China.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 7:30 pm to stout
Posted on 1/18/26 at 7:58 pm to stout
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Canada is really choosing to forgo trade and security with the USA for China
I can’t blame them, if another country threatened America like they are being threatened I’d want to kick them to the curb too. They don’t hate America, they hate what trump is doing to us and all their allies. It makes no sense.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 8:01 pm to Clark14
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if another country threatened America like they are being threatened I’d want to kick them to the curb too.
Yea we know you're a big pussy
Posted on 1/18/26 at 8:03 pm to stout
CA elects horrible officials.....most Canadiens are good people, their leadership sucks!
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