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re: Communism did not come from China and Russia
Posted on 5/25/25 at 5:47 pm to blueboy
Posted on 5/25/25 at 5:47 pm to blueboy
quote:Plenty of workers have had successful careers as self-employed. No owner ever became rich without the workers.
The worker is nothing without the owner. Also, if the business fails, the worker simply gets another job. The owner loses everything and is forever ruined.
No one eats or has anything without labor.
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Posted on 5/25/25 at 5:50 pm to psk_Vol
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frick, what would folks like us do without people like you telling the world everything you know about life?
probably read nazi shite online and then repeat it like a fricking moron.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 5:52 pm to SammyTiger
This thread is a crock of shite.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 5:56 pm to BuckI
quote:Then they aren't 'laborers,' strictly speaking.
Plenty of workers have had successful careers as self-employed.
Communism is a lie told to the working class in an effort to get them to be foot soldiers of those who want to take power. In the end, all you get is authoritarian domination. Ideological communists die right next to the dissidents.
You believe in fairy tales.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 5:57 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:Let's call it what it is- greed.
That’s called demand.
Competition in the marketplace is the primary and best control for high prices.
quote:I used to believe that, but prices always go up anyway. It is not uncommon to hear of businesses conspiring to raise prices.
Competition in the marketplace is the primary and best control for high prices
quote:This is true. As long as people put up with crappy wages, employees will give them all the crap they can.
if only it were true that profits only go up!
Wages go down or stay the same because there is an abundance of people willing to work for that wage or less. That’s it.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:06 pm to Penrod
quote:
I’m the one who guessed Communism because you said “100 years”.
The topic of the thread is communism, you idiot.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:06 pm to SammyTiger
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probably read Nazi shite online and then repeat it like a fricking moron
If only the National Socialist German Workers Party of the 20th century and the powerless knockoff imitating losers found sparingly in trailer parks and prisons had/has anything to do with the fact that 19th century Jewish Americans in disproportional rates participated in American slave ownership, you might actually had a somewhat coherent point to make.
The “Nazi” card everyday is becoming more devalued than an American dollar. Such a silly and unserious word nowadays
This post was edited on 5/25/25 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:08 pm to blueboy
quote:You're being dishonest. I have shared my views on communism, and you know that. Communism is the greatest enemy of the working class.
Communism is a lie told to the working class in an effort to get them to be foot soldiers of those who want to take power. In the end, all you get is authoritarian domination. Ideological communists die right next to the dissidents.
You believe in fairy tales.
Those who defend the owners, whether it be the state or private enterprise, are all the same and are no friends of labor. They're just useful idiots.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:10 pm to psk_Vol
quote:
If only the National Socialist German Workers of the 20th century had anything to do with the fact that 19th century Jewish Americans in disproportional rates participated in American slave ownership you might actually have made a point.
If only that was true.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:15 pm to BuckI
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Let's call it what it is- greed.
Sometimes it is greed. No doubt. Humans are sinful. That includes owners and laborers.
The problem is people. We are prone to selfishness and greed.
Unions can and often are very greedy. That’s the laborer side. It also causes prices to rise, and can cause companies to fail, leading to hardship for workers and customers who might depend on the product or service.
quote:
I used to believe that, but prices always go up anyway. It is not uncommon to hear of businesses conspiring to raise prices.
Most price increases are due to inflation, which is a product of government monetary policy and government debt.
And prices most certainly do get reduced! Usually only as a result of staying the same while inflation causes overall price index to increase, but commodities rise and fall all the time.
Think about how much t.v.’s used to cost? That price reduction was from innovation and competition.
Think about gas prices going up and down. Prices for eggs, lumber, cell phones, etc.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:17 pm to SammyTiger
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If only that was true
That’s why God divinely planned out a specific role for to accomplish while here: to serve as an arbitrator of what it is and is not true to message board strangers.
Stop drowning me with your facts about “truth”. I can’t keep up with your advanced knowledge and sophisticated understanding of American and world history
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:18 pm to BuckI
I'm not defending the owners. I'm just explaining that the owner can exist without the laborer (as you illustrated) and the reverse is not possible.
I didn't see your earlier posts, but your language is that of a marxist.
I didn't see your earlier posts, but your language is that of a marxist.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:23 pm to Jimbeaux
Unfortunately, the unions are very corrupt. They're not very democratic with their members. Some of have come under the influence of the communists and mafia. They need to somehow clean it up.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:29 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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The topic of the thread is communism, you idiot.
So I guessed Communism and you think I’m an idiot because it’s actually…communism. Good grief!
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:31 pm to psk_Vol
You don’t need me to tell you, you know whah you’re saying is bullshite.
First it’s “a disproportionate amount of jews owned slaves”
the. it’s “you don’t understand what per capita means”
they you link a website that’s states “ Thus, in 1830 in Charleston 83 percent of Jews owned slaves while 87 percent of Christians did so.”
and that’s just Charleston.
but like I said, you know you didn’t read this in a history book and you don’t care if it’s teue.
First it’s “a disproportionate amount of jews owned slaves”
the. it’s “you don’t understand what per capita means”
they you link a website that’s states “ Thus, in 1830 in Charleston 83 percent of Jews owned slaves while 87 percent of Christians did so.”
and that’s just Charleston.
but like I said, you know you didn’t read this in a history book and you don’t care if it’s teue.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:32 pm to blueboy
quote:I apologize for calling you dishonest. I had assumed you saw those posts.
I'm not defending the owners. I'm just explaining that the owner can exist without the laborer (as you illustrated) and the reverse is not possible.
I didn't see your earlier posts, but your language is that of a marxist.
No, I'm no Marxist. But I can understand why it seems I am. I'm a Democrat, but I have soured on the party. They do not care about labor or the poor. Their sympathies lie elsewhere.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:44 pm to SammyTiger
lol the example of 19th century Charleston, SC is quite literally the worst talking point you could keep leaning on here to refute my “untruthfulness” about Jewish Americans role in American slavery.
By the end of American slavery nearly 50% of all Charleston, SC residents whom had slaves were Jewish. This despite Jewish people representing roughly 1-3% of the total population throughout 19th century Charleston,SC.
Charleston, SC was the epicenter of the corporate American Jewish slave trading enterprise. Jewish Charlestonians played an essential role in ensuring that America’s wholesale slavery demands were met nationwide.
By the end of American slavery nearly 50% of all Charleston, SC residents whom had slaves were Jewish. This despite Jewish people representing roughly 1-3% of the total population throughout 19th century Charleston,SC.
Charleston, SC was the epicenter of the corporate American Jewish slave trading enterprise. Jewish Charlestonians played an essential role in ensuring that America’s wholesale slavery demands were met nationwide.
This post was edited on 5/25/25 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:47 pm to psk_Vol
quote:
You are citing the 1860 census as an authoritative source of information supporting your argument. Yet the 1860 Census had nowhere to indicate whether you were a Christian or Jew. Literally didn't ask of American citizens to differentiate that aspect about themselves.
Your intention appears to rely on rhetorical manipulation to allege an inaccurate point.
The article you linked acknowledges that some Jews in North Carolina owned slaves, but their involvement was not disproportionate compared to their non-Jewish neighbors.
The “statistically hysterical” claim you referenced earlier is not supported by the article or broader historical evidence.
Your critical error is falsely applying the rate of ownership in Charleston to a much broader population - a wildly ignorant error in judgment.
My intention was not to rely on census records as a single source.
From census records, additional information can be extrapolated. Scholars like Bertram Korn (also cited as an authoritative source in the article you linked) and Seymour Drescher have studied Jewish communities in the antebellum South, particularly in cities like Charleston, Savannah, and New Orleans. Their studies rely on synagogue records, wills, property deeds, and tax documents that identify Jewish individuals and their economic activities.
The Jewish population in the U.S. during the 1860s was tiny with approximately 150,000 out of a total population of 31 million (less than 0.5%). In the South, where slavery was concentrated, Jews made up an even smaller proportion of the population. Given that about 25% of Southern households (roughly 1.6 million people) owned slaves, the sheer numerical disparity makes it implausible for Jews to have owned a majority. Even if every Jewish household in the South owned slaves (which they didn’t), their numbers would still be a drop in the bucket compared to the dominant non-Jewish slaveholding class.
Most slaveowners were large-scale planters or farmers, which were roles filled primarily by white Christians of European descent. Jews in the South were more likely to be urban merchants, shopkeepers, or other professionals occupations less dependent on slavery, with fewer engaged in plantation agriculture.
Some Jews were involved in the auctioning or financing of the slave trade. And I understand what you’re alleging - that the handful of Jews that were involved in the slave trade may have owned some at a higher rate, but it strains credulity that Jews had a dominant role in owning slaves.
Works like Jonathan Sarna’s American Judaism and Eli Faber’s Jews, Slaves, and the Slave Trade use primary sources such as tax records, probate inventories, wills, and synagogue membership lists that identify Jewish individuals and their economic activities to estimate Jewish slaveholding, concluding it was minimal and not disproportionate.
Their rate of ownership was statistically insignificant. Cuz math.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:54 pm to Willie Stroker
Jewish slavers like Larry David’s Great Grandpa walking around Louisiana with his slaves back in the day was just such a rare, statistically insignificant thing. Always an adventure when you dive in and really learn about what actually happened throughout one’s family history!
Larry David Roots Reveals An Ancestry History Of Owning Slaves
Larry David Roots Reveals An Ancestry History Of Owning Slaves
Posted on 5/25/25 at 6:54 pm to psk_Vol
quote:
lol the example of 19th century Charleston, SC is quite literally the worst talking point you could keep leaning on here to refute my “untruthfulness” about Jewish Americans role in American slavery.
you brought it up.
quote:
By the end of American slavery nearly 50% of all Charleston, SC residents whom had slaves were Jewish. This despite Jewish people representing roughly 1-3% of the total population throughout 19th century Charleston,SC.
again based on the source you linked it looks like charleston has an extremely high percentage of slave ownership. I havent seen 1 source putting it 6%.
your math isn’t mathing
This post was edited on 5/25/25 at 7:00 pm
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