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Posted on 6/20/21 at 4:05 am to pickle311
quote:In a just world, those actions should entail significant liability for the employer.
Company I work for fired engineers for not getting the vaccine
I found out that they fired 5 engineers, some of which had been with us for 20+ years, because they didn't get the vaccine. All were in the Houston area and because one of our customers decided that all of their employees and vendors have to be vaccinated to enter the building.
Unfortunately they probably won't.
quote:You're right.
There's no logical reason for any company to require people to be vaccinated
There is no logical reason.
But Tony"I Am Science"Fauci blazed that trail when he showed up fully vaccinated during Senate testimony, socially distanced at 20-feet, yet wearing two masks, and insinuating he was masked for self-protection.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:28 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
Libertarians" on this board think this is fine because it's businesses doing it. Morons.
Read Rothbard
Or just learn what a libertarian is.
Because your are 100% wrong. Not even close.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:38 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
"Libertarians" on this board think this is fine because it's businesses doing it. Morons.
why did you put Libertarians in quotes?
are you acting like this isn't a full blown historical position of real libertarians? freedom of contract is just that: a freedom
if your solution to a perceived overreach is to give government more overreach in your life, perhaps there is a foundational problem with your view
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:43 am to pickle311
Lawyer up.
There might be a period, in the near future, it might be a blessing there are some people that did not get vaccinated, if some major long term effects start showing up on those who got vaccinated.
There might be a period, in the near future, it might be a blessing there are some people that did not get vaccinated, if some major long term effects start showing up on those who got vaccinated.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You mean libertarians are for corporations taking their rights? Really?
are you acting like this isn't a full blown historical position of real libertarians?
Posted on 6/20/21 at 6:59 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
You mean libertarians are for corporations taking their rights? Really?
this view wasn't even a libertarian view, historically. it was the Republican/conservative view
the traditional argument, which dominated this board from my first posting in 2004 until 2018 (or so), was "nobody is forcing you to work there"
the right/GOP was also the first to use boycotts to make corporations change unfavorable policies...now that the left/DEMs are using the same playbook, it's somehow tyranny
Posted on 6/20/21 at 7:08 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yep.
the traditional argument, which dominated this board from my first posting in 2004 until 2018 (or so), was "nobody is forcing you to work there"
As your employer, I can run tests to see if you smoked a joint last week. Repubs cheered that BS. Be careful what you ask for ....
Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:36 am to wackatimesthree
I am VP of operations in a very large multi national corp.
The EEOC has issued very clear guidance that company’s can make the vaccination mandatory, and that employees who refuse can be fired. Religious and medical exemptions must be given to those with valid requests.
Our company is not mandating it for our employees unless they are working for a customer that requires the vaccine in which case it is mandatory. We have already had this situation occur and have several people we had to reassign to other accounts (we didn’t fire them)
If you refuse to take it and get fired, you can sue, but you will lose your job and whatever your lawyer charges you.
The EEOC has issued very clear guidance that company’s can make the vaccination mandatory, and that employees who refuse can be fired. Religious and medical exemptions must be given to those with valid requests.
Our company is not mandating it for our employees unless they are working for a customer that requires the vaccine in which case it is mandatory. We have already had this situation occur and have several people we had to reassign to other accounts (we didn’t fire them)
If you refuse to take it and get fired, you can sue, but you will lose your job and whatever your lawyer charges you.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 8:38 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:44 am to pickle311
Major lawsuits are going to start popping up and I bet it will bankrupt a lot of companies and individuals.
It will also add to a lot of wealth of lawyers who specialize in class action suits.
HIPPA and unequal treatment will be core to the legal cases.
It will also add to a lot of wealth of lawyers who specialize in class action suits.
HIPPA and unequal treatment will be core to the legal cases.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:45 am to GhostOfFreedom
It’s HIPAA and wouldn’t apply to your job or information you voluntarily disclose.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:51 am to Catahoula20LSU
Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration expanded the emergency use authorization (EUA) for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) to include adolescents 12 through 15 years of age. The FDA amended the EUA originally issued on Dec. 11, 2020 for administration in individuals 16 years of age and older.
Emergency use approval only. for Pfizer.
LINK
Emergency use approval only. for Pfizer.
LINK
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 8:53 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:57 am to pickle311
Sounds like a good way to lose good employees. Only the federal government can operate like that.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:00 am to Chromdome35
quote:That is a claimed employer "right" which will eventually get shoved up some company's backside. The sooner, the better.
The EEOC has issued very clear guidance that company’s can make the vaccination mandatory
It's going to take a legally well advised employee, and the right circumstances to set a company up. But it will happen.
Good luck with the EEOC taking any heat when it occurs.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:02 am to GhostOfFreedom
quote:
HIPPA
the hell does HIPAA have to do with this?
quote:
unequal treatment
there are only a few classes of people who can use this
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 9:03 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:03 am to GhostOfFreedom
quote:
HIPPA
Not a HIPPA issue.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:07 am to Chromdome35
quote:
valid requests
What makes a request valid oe not? Asking as I truly don't know. Like how do "they" decide if my medical or religious exemption is valid?
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
there are only a few classes of people who can use this
Would this include not all contract employees in the same facility being "mandated" to take this? Requiring one but not all?
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:11 am to tiger91
I've always wondered that. If I claim a religious exemption to something, who determines if it is a valid one?
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:12 am to tiger91
quote:There you go.
Like how do "they" decide if my medical or religious exemption is valid?
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