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re: Conservatives: what's your beef with libertarianism?
Posted on 8/4/18 at 2:37 pm to troyt37
Posted on 8/4/18 at 2:37 pm to troyt37
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109 years ago a person could plausibly believe we could leave the world to its own devices, and remain safe and secure as Americans, but not only is it not true in 2018, it is idiotic to think so.
Switzerland is doing just fine.
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Posted on 8/4/18 at 2:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Which sounds great until you start dissecting that and realizing there are all sorts of holes to be punched in that definition.
Ultimately you are forced to pick and choose which freedoms supercede others.
Sure, no ideology is "perfect" per se, that is unless every single person is on board 100%, which is basically impossible on a large scale.
The same can be said about conservatism, whatever that means these days.
Choosing an ideology is simply picking what collection of principles you think are most beneficial and sensible. It doesn't mean you want to impose every single one of those principles 100%.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 2:44 pm to rintintin
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Choosing an ideology is simply picking what collection of principles you think are most beneficial and sensible. It doesn't mean you want to impose every single one of those principles 100%.
But this is a bigger problem with us libertarians. If L-Bob agrees with 99% of L-Jim's opinions then L-Jim will say 'Bob is not a REAL libertarian.'
The Dems have the same issue with abortion. You cannot be a pro life candidate in the party. That's why Bob Dole switched from pro life to pro choice when he sought higher office in the Dem party.
So, a Dem cannot say: I'm for open borders, high taxes, lots of welfare, BUT I think abortion is wrong.'
Posted on 8/4/18 at 2:46 pm to xrockfordf150x
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If your interested in what the Biblical standards of government look like I can recommend several Bible studies.
Wait, who said that we were letting Yahweh choose? I feel like we've skipped a few steps...
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I’d like to know, as you claim to be a professing libertarian, how these human rights are objectively true and justifiable outside of God.
It's a complicated question, but like I said, I think starting with Argumentation Ethics is probably a good idea. When you've read Hoppe's position, I'll be interested in a rebuttal.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 2:50 pm to I B Freeman
One more thing I should have added:
I think the FED should not set interest rates--the rates should float in true auction form. The dollar then would be no different than the commodity gold.
I think the FED should not set interest rates--the rates should float in true auction form. The dollar then would be no different than the commodity gold.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 2:51 pm to Zach
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But this is a bigger problem with us libertarians. If L-Bob agrees with 99% of L-Jim's opinions then L-Jim will say 'Bob is not a REAL libertarian.' The Dems have the same issue with abortion. You cannot be a pro life candidate in the party. That's why Bob Dole switched from pro life to pro choice when he sought higher office in the Dem party. So, a Dem cannot say: I'm for open borders, high taxes, lots of welfare, BUT I think abortion is wrong.'
Same with republicans. You’re not allowed to be an “R” and believe humans are contributing to climate change
Posted on 8/4/18 at 2:52 pm to Houma Sapien
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Switzerland is doing just fine.
Or maybe they’d still be speaking German now, had they not made themselves the repository for Nazi plunder during WWII.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 2:54 pm to troyt37
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Or maybe they’d still be speaking German now, had they not made themselves the repository for Nazi plunder during WWII.
I just used them as an example. There are many countries not involved in world policing that are doing just fine.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 2:59 pm to Houma Sapien
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Same with republicans. You’re not allowed to be an “R” and believe humans are contributing to climate change
Wrong. Global warming is not conservative doctrine. It's a scam. It always has been. Humans cannot effect climate. But if you don't believe in science then you can keep believing in GW.
This post was edited on 8/4/18 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:00 pm to Houma Sapien
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I just used them as an example. There are many countries not involved in world policing that are doing just fine.
By just fine, I take it you mean until a superior force decides the want their shite, right? It’s not all rainbows and unicorns in the world. If it isn’t a priority to defend and protect those things you hold dear, then you don’t really hold those things dear, do you?
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:02 pm to Joshjrn
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Joshjrn
If you would like clarity on a specific point I’d be happy to answer your questions, just ask. Ive made my view pretty clear. Meanwhile, please give me your justification for the absolute right to life liberty and property in an atheistic world view. It doesn’t have to be complex, just philosophically consistent. You can even reference Hoppe if you’d like (I’m unfamiliar).
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:07 pm to Houma Sapien
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So if you truly support a limited federal government, why would any conservative support the Republican party over the Libertarian party?
Limited federal government has nothing to do with states rights; which is where most of the horseshite you cited falls in my opinion.
I think all the social bullshite everyone fights over can be handled at the state level. So if you choose to live in a "democratic socialist community" like Cali, have at it. I'll hang out in Texas and be left alone.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:07 pm to Zach
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this is a bigger problem with us libertarians. If L-Bob agrees with 99% of L-Jim's opinions then L-Jim will say 'Bob is not a REAL libertarian.'
The Dems have the same issue with abortion. You cannot be a pro life candidate in the party. That's why Bob Dole switched from pro life to pro choice when he sought higher office in the Dem party.
So, a Dem cannot say: I'm for open borders, high taxes, lots of welfare, BUT I think abortion is wrong.'
I mean, that's basically true for all ideology's, unless you're so devoid of independent thought that you just follow everything you're told. Trying to group people into a broad ideology without any wiggle room just doesn't work.
That's kinda the problem IMO, because that's exactly what we try to do. People are too quick to just follow what they're told without thinking it through.
Personally, I think Libertarianism is the most consistent and logical "mainstream" political ideology. It doesn't mean I believe in their principles 100%.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:13 pm to Zach
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Same with republicans. You’re not allowed to be an “R” and believe humans are contributing to climate change
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Wrong. Global warming is not conservative doctrine. It's a scam. It always has been. Humans cannot effect climate.
I think you just proved my point.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:14 pm to Houma Sapien
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Conservatives talk about keeping the government out of your life, but they want the government controlling who can get married, what days of the week you can buy alcohol, what religion should be present in schools, and when and where you can or cant gamble.
Look up states rights. You are ignorant or a troll.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:18 pm to goatmilker
Goldwater was the most libertarian Republican since Coolidge and we would have a much better country today had he been elected in 1964.
This post was edited on 8/4/18 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:20 pm to I B Freeman
No argument there.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:21 pm to goatmilker
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You are ignorant or a troll.
Right or wrong - conservatives believe in laws dictating:
-marriage between a man and a woman
-restricting your right to spend your own money on gambling or sex
-prayer in school for one set of beliefs and not others
-marijuana
Sounds like big government to me.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:23 pm to Houma Sapien
f@cking so damn wrong. Your pointless to argue with.
Sorry
Right or wrong - conservatives believe in laws dictating:
-marriage between a man and a woman
We have moved on. And for most we were for civil unions not for changing the thousand year old definition of "Marriage"
-restricting your right to spend your own money on gambling or sex
I and many are for decriminalization of prostitution and the lotto is everywhere.
-prayer in school for one set of beliefs and not others
We are almost all for a Moment of Silence.
-marijuana
See Prostitution.
Tard.
Sorry
Right or wrong - conservatives believe in laws dictating:
-marriage between a man and a woman
We have moved on. And for most we were for civil unions not for changing the thousand year old definition of "Marriage"
-restricting your right to spend your own money on gambling or sex
I and many are for decriminalization of prostitution and the lotto is everywhere.
-prayer in school for one set of beliefs and not others
We are almost all for a Moment of Silence.
-marijuana
See Prostitution.
Tard.
This post was edited on 8/4/18 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:36 pm to Houma Sapien
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Conservatives: what's your beef with libertarianism
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The way I see it
Typical narrow view. Libertarians usually turn out to be Democrats in disguise.
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