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re: Conservatives: what's your beef with libertarianism?
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:40 pm to goatmilker
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:40 pm to goatmilker
quote:Are you under the impression that state and local governments cannot be authoritarian, too?quote:Look up states rights. You are ignorant or a troll.
Conservatives talk about keeping the government out of your life, but they want the government controlling who can get married, what days of the week you can buy alcohol, what religion should be present in schools, and when and where you can or cant gamble.
Sure, it is “better” at that level, because it is more-feasible to relocate to another jurisdiction, but that is a federalism question ... not a libertarian question.
This post was edited on 8/4/18 at 3:44 pm
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Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:41 pm to Maytheporkbewithyou
I have never voted for a democrat for any federal office in my life.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:57 pm to AggieHank86
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, but that is a federalism question ... not a libertarian question.
My post was about his definition of conservatism not his definition of libertarians.
But I'm sure you saw that.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:57 pm to Maytheporkbewithyou
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Libertarians usually turn out to be Democrats in disguise.
Libertarians loathe the Left.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:59 pm to Maytheporkbewithyou
quote:Libertarians vote for the GOP over Dems at a rate better than 2:1.
Libertarians usually turn out to be Democrats in disguise.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 3:59 pm to AggieHank86
I would have thought it higher.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:16 pm to OSqueal
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:18 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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Open borders
The libertarian belief on immigration is hard to be summed up in just saying "open boarders". having very lax immigration policy would work if we weren't a bloated welfare state giving free hand outs to every person who crossed the border.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:18 pm to goatmilker
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I would have thought it higher.
I have voted for Democrats in local and state elections before, but that is only because there is at least a semblance of reasonableness in Southern Democrats - or there was. I've never voted for a Democrat in anything regarding federal matters.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:20 pm to I B Freeman
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I have never voted for a democrat for any federal office in my life.
the general definition of liberal/democrat on PT board is anybody who criticizes trump or isn't 100% all in on maga. I enjoy your tariff threads btw
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:31 pm to celltech1981
Y r correct and thanks!!
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:34 pm to Houma Sapien
Don't give a shite who marries care about the idiots telling us about it you stupid frick
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:37 pm to TA2
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Don't give a shite who marries care about the idiots telling us about it you stupid frick
So you created an alter simply to insult people? Cool.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:41 pm to celltech1981
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The libertarian belief on immigration is hard to be summed up in just saying "open boarders". having very lax immigration policy would work if we weren't a bloated welfare state giving free hand outs to every person who crossed the border.
Exactly, and that goes for many policies. Certain policies can only work with the removal (or adoption) of other policies.
Libertarians technically believe in open borders, but only without the welfare state. You can't have both (like the Left wants), it's simply unsustainable.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 4:43 pm to rintintin
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Libertarians technically believe in open borders, but only without the welfare state.
Addendum: libertarians support the right of private property owners to host or allow whomever they wish. This can be construed as open borders in theory, but in reality it would likely be more restrictive than current practice.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 5:18 pm to xrockfordf150x
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If you would like clarity on a specific point I’d be happy to answer your questions, just ask. Ive made my view pretty clear. Meanwhile, please give me your justification for the absolute right to life liberty and property in an atheistic world view. It doesn’t have to be complex, just philosophically consistent. You can even reference Hoppe if you’d like (I’m unfamiliar).
In very, very short, and quoting from wikipedia: Argumentation ethics asserts the non-aggression principle is a presupposition of every argument and so cannot be logically denied during an argument.
While facially simple, it's a complex argument with many supporters and detractors, so if you're interested, again, I would encourage you to just google "Hoppe Argumentation Ethics" and read anything you find. With the plethora of information available, I'm disinclined to attempt to regurgitate it here.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 6:29 pm to Joshjrn
quote:Hoppe can be a bit pedantic.
I would encourage you to just google "Hoppe Argumentation Ethics" and read anything you find. With the plethora of information available, I'm disinclined to attempt to regurgitate it here.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 6:32 pm to AggieHank86
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Hoppe can be a bit pedantic.
A little?
Doesn't change the fact that he's made one of the more interesting and sound attempts at an a priori explanation for natural rights, so I'll let the man speak for himself
This post was edited on 8/4/18 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 8/4/18 at 6:38 pm to Joshjrn
His analysis is interesting, but I fall into the camp that says there is no such thing as “natural rights.” An individual has the rights that his society (NOT “government,” for those who do not understand the difference) determines an individual will have. Anyone whom does not like that menu can join another society.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 6:43 pm to AggieHank86
Hasn’t Hans Herman hoppe created some controversy while at UNLV? He seems somewhat of a dick
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