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re: Conservatives: what's your beef with libertarianism?
Posted on 8/4/18 at 11:27 pm to Houma Sapien
Posted on 8/4/18 at 11:27 pm to Houma Sapien
Conservatives disagree with libertarians on immigration because they’re not conservative enough to push for ending the income tax and entitlement programs.
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Posted on 8/4/18 at 11:34 pm to Houma Sapien
Ok, so random observation:
I’ve noticed that, the longer a thread goes on, the higher the concentration of libertarian-leaning posts. I’m trying to figure out whether that’s because we have superior attention spans, feel more justified in our positions, or are just doggedly fricking stubborn
I’ve noticed that, the longer a thread goes on, the higher the concentration of libertarian-leaning posts. I’m trying to figure out whether that’s because we have superior attention spans, feel more justified in our positions, or are just doggedly fricking stubborn
Posted on 8/5/18 at 7:06 am to Houma Sapien
I didnt read every response so i dont know if its been said or not and i dont care if it has but its worth pointing out again. Youre no libertarian baw. Youre a straight up hillary/obama lapdog.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 7:09 am to Houma Sapien
1. Open borders
2. Economic globalism
3. The almost single minded obsession with legalizing drugs without first dismantling the nanny state apparatus that results in enormous costs as government pays for the care and feeding of addicts.
2. Economic globalism
3. The almost single minded obsession with legalizing drugs without first dismantling the nanny state apparatus that results in enormous costs as government pays for the care and feeding of addicts.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 7:16 am to Houma Sapien
I don’t think of “conservative” as defined as less government as much as I think of it as resistant to unnecessary change. For thousands of years all these laws and principles produced Western Culture, the best environment to exercise freedom, but not have it totally abused. Now, several want to put it on its head for the sake of totally abandoning everything religion ever taught us. I think several of the “social issues” are important for a good society and give us more freedom in the traditional sense. Jocko Willink has a saying “discipline equals freedom” and I believe this is a good example of it. We are a welfare state and it doesn’t seem to appear that we’re ever going to change that. So why would we ever 1. Allow people to smoke weed so there is zero chance they ever get a job, when if you’re a hard working individual who smokes there is a .0007% chance you’ll ever get caught. 2. Allow for more illegals to come here and live on the govt dime, ie “our hard earned tax dollars”. 3. Give tax breaks to gay couple who don’t have the capacity to start a family and further contribute to the positive growth of our society.
These are just a few examples, but I’m of the mentality “of it ain’t broke don’t fix it”! I do however agree with the libertarian stance on foreign intervention. We are paying way too much to figure out or usually just babysit someone else’s problems.
These are just a few examples, but I’m of the mentality “of it ain’t broke don’t fix it”! I do however agree with the libertarian stance on foreign intervention. We are paying way too much to figure out or usually just babysit someone else’s problems.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 8:29 am to rintintin
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IMO it's probably not practical on a large scale (such as our country) in it's purest form, because people are too dependent on Gov't, and most people are just incapable of thinking for themselves. The principles would never take hold for the majority of the population.
It worked for the first 124 years.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 8:37 am to Houma Sapien
quote:
Conservatives: what's your beef with libertarianism? by Houma Sapien
No deep discussions required, libertarians are fence setters and run the risk of being full cuck Progs. I’ve witnessed it firsthand baw! Lol!
Posted on 8/5/18 at 8:43 am to HempHead
This board gives a bad name to libertarians because of the disguised liberals and the 20 year old idiots who think the utmost libertarian priority is weed legalization
Posted on 8/5/18 at 8:58 am to troyt37
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Or maybe they’d still be speaking German now, had they not made themselves the repository for Nazi plunder during WWII.
First of all, they do speak German. They also speak French and Italian.
Second of all, Nazi banking was only part of the protection. I would say that was an unnecessary insurance policy that the Swiss adopted. The real reason the Swiss have never been invaded is because they're an incredibly defensive country. Swiss Redoubt and all.
No one has ever wanted any part of that war of attrition. A small population that, while may eventually fall to an overwhelming force, will absolutely make you pay dearly for it. They are a well fortified, armed populace of conscription that exist in incredibly difficult terrain for invading forces. It's a battle not worth fighting. They make themselves not worth invading.
Everything America used to be and stand for. Walk softly and carry an incredibly big arse stick
This post was edited on 8/5/18 at 9:01 am
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:09 am to Andychapman13
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I don’t think of “conservative” as defined as less government as much as I think of it as resistant to unnecessary change
Yep.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:09 am to Joshjrn
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’m trying to figure out whether that’s because we have superior attention spans, feel more justified in our positions, or are just doggedly fricking stubborn
All of deese
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:15 am to Andychapman13
quote:You are correct. Only on the simplistic, one-dimensional scale does “small government” equate to conservative.
I don’t think of “conservative” as defined as less government as much as I think of it as resistant to unnecessary change.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:30 am to NIH
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This board gives a bad name to libertarians because of the disguised liberals and the 20 year old idiots who think the utmost libertarian priority is weed legalization
I've encountered similar disguised liberals who think being for gay marriage = being a libertarian.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:33 am to AggieHank86
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I don’t think of “conservative” as defined as less government as much as I think of it as resistant to unnecessary change. You are correct. Only on the simplistic, one-dimensional scale does “small government” equate to conservative.
You're both totally wrong. By your definition anyone who wants to overthrow the Marxist regime in Venezuela and replace with with free market economics is a liberal. And everyone who defends the communist state against this transformation is a conservative.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:37 am to Zach
am i too late to chime in?
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Not at all. I haven't read most of this thread.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:43 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Libertarians just can’t seem to purge the weirdos.
oh you mean people like this?
or this?
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:45 am to Joshjrn
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Ok, so random observation: I’ve noticed that, the longer a thread goes on, the higher the concentration of libertarian-leaning posts. I’m trying to figure out whether that’s because we have superior attention spans, feel more justified in our positions, or are just doggedly fricking stubborn
Neither, conservatives will give you sound reasoning based on moral principles and we move on.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:46 am to Joshjrn
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Please tell me what, exactly, conservatives have "won" in the last few decades? And I mean real world, tangible victories, not "won an election", etc. What issue in the pantheon of conservative thought has been advanced in any marked way? From where I'm sitting, it looks like a neverending string of losses.
yeah the shining beacon is Trump, an he's, almost, in no way a conservative. he's legit promoting non-conservative points as rallying points and that's a win
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:49 am to cokebottleag
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incessant worship of the individual at the total expense of the community.
then they're doing it wrong and are probably incels, too
i mean even if you boil down libertarian beliefs to their core, "free trade" is the backbone and that requires a lot of collaboration. the Friedman lecture of the pencil works as an educational tool for socialists and Libertarians
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