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re: Could it be any more obvious that Covid is a Scam?
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:08 pm to gthog61
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:08 pm to gthog61
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1 million killed worldwide, 100K in the US
Nothing closed. I was only 8 at the time but I NEVER HEARD A WORD about it growing up. I believe it was the "Hong Kong flu". Once it was done nobody talked about it. This current shite will be blathered about for decades.
If nothing closed in 1968 and 100K people died, but we have made herculean effort to distance and stay at home today and nevertheless 60K people died in April alone, it seems like you're making a very strong argument that COVID 19 is uniquely terrible.
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:10 pm to Dale51
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Nothing like that at all.
Nothing was "designed". An opportunity presented itself and like minded people recognized it and let it unfold. They just nudged it a bit.
Fair enough, but your claim is that they are now, as the opportunity has presented itself, actively looking to usurp the power of the elected officials in all these countries simultaneously? Do I have that right?
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:14 pm to Dale51
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An opportunity presented itself and like minded people recognized it and let it unfold. They just nudged it a bit.
The Dems have 3 years of missed agendas to play catch-up.
Remember, they never thought she would lose.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:15 pm to longwayfromLA
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If nothing closed in 1968 and 100K people died, but we have made herculean effort to distance and stay at home today and nevertheless 60K people died in April alone, it seems like you're making a very strong argument that COVID 19 is uniquely terrible.
It seems I am making the case that there is no fricking difference.
Now that we have had the "Herculean effort" "what could have happened" can be anything the spinners want it to be.
This shite was around for at least a couple of months before Texas did ANYTHING and Texas has less than 30K cases and less than 800 deaths in a state just short of 30 million people.
Thinking it can run free for 2 whole months and THEN the economy was screwed and THAT is why it wasn't worse is a pretty damned tenuous argument, almost as specious as all of a sudden HAVING to wear masks NOW after almost 4 months.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:34 pm to longwayfromLA
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your claim is that they are now, as the opportunity has presented itself, actively looking to usurp the power of the elected officials in all these countries simultaneously? Do I have that right?
No, not at all.
I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that they "usurp the power of the elected officials in all these countries simultaneously?"
My inclination is that they enhanced their power over their people in those countries.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:34 pm to longwayfromLA
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So is the idea the entirety of the rest of the world is in on the scam as well
Coronavirus is what Global Warming wishes it was.
Not saying everyone is in on it. But the response by some sure looks like it. Affects everyone, not clear cure, political tool, etc
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:41 pm to gthog61
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It seems I am making the case that there is no fricking difference.
Now that we have had the "Herculean effort" "what could have happened" can be anything the spinners want it to be.
Well, clearly there is a difference, right? I mean, it's observable. Consider official COVID deaths.
9 weeks ago: 0 deaths
8 weeks ago: 17 deaths
7 weeks ago: 49 deaths (~x2)
6 weeks ago: 249 deaths (~x5)
5 weeks ago: 1,588 deaths (~x6)
4 weeks ago: 7,152 deaths (~x4.5)
3 weeks ago: 18,758 deaths (~x2.6)
2 weeks ago: 37,054 deaths (~x1.9)
1 week ago: 51,017 deaths (~x1.3)
Right now: 64,943 deaths (~x1.3)
It is clear that in the last 2-3 weeks the rate of growth for deaths due to COVID slowed considerably. My argument is that this occurred because we as country made the herculean effort to distance and stay at home today starting in late March, it paid off in late April, and had we not made those efforts, we would have at best kept a mortality growth rate per week similar to what we observed in March. You seem to think we the growth in deaths would have slowed down all the same. Fair enough. What then would you suggest would be driving the decrease in mortality growth absent mitigation efforts?
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:44 pm to Keltic Tiger
Keltic Tiger are you going to work? I would assume not. According to your logic you will never be able to go back to work again.
Are car accidents fake? Nope.
Is the Flu fake? Nope.
So how can you justify going to work when those deathly things are still killing people... EVERY DAY!!!
Why is it worse to die from CV than the flu?
Nobody thinks that the virus isn't real. What is unreal is the asinine reaction that our countries leaders governors are putting us through. For any scam to work there has to be a kernel of truth to it.
So yeah the virus is real and so is the scam.
Are car accidents fake? Nope.
Is the Flu fake? Nope.
So how can you justify going to work when those deathly things are still killing people... EVERY DAY!!!
Why is it worse to die from CV than the flu?
Nobody thinks that the virus isn't real. What is unreal is the asinine reaction that our countries leaders governors are putting us through. For any scam to work there has to be a kernel of truth to it.
So yeah the virus is real and so is the scam.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:49 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Oh, right, it's the flu.
Curious to know the death rate for the flu right now. See if its close to the yearly average. No news outlet has brought that up as far as I know.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:53 pm to volod
Have a upvote my friend!
Posted on 5/2/20 at 7:53 pm to longwayfromLA
Oh look, in 1968 the numbers while not crippling the economy plunged after about 10 weeks.
10 weeks, that number sound familiar, where have I seen it?
Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:01 pm to longwayfromLA
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9 weeks ago: 0 deaths
8 weeks ago: 17 deaths
7 weeks ago: 49 deaths (~x2)
6 weeks ago: 249 deaths (~x5)
5 weeks ago: 1,588 deaths (~x6)
4 weeks ago: 7,152 deaths (~x4.5)
3 weeks ago: 18,758 deaths (~x2.6)
2 weeks ago: 37,054 deaths (~x1.9)
1 week ago: 51,017 deaths (~x1.3)
Right now: 64,943 deaths (~x1.3)
Why are there so many questions about the numbers and the attributed "cause" of death?
What could the reasons for that be?? I'm mostly referring to the attributed cause of death? What would the motivation be to determining that someone who died with Covid as someone who died from Covid?
Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:09 pm to longwayfromLA
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So is the idea the entirety of the rest of the world is in on the scam as well? What's in it for the UK for instance?
How do you convince the population to believe you? You have to actually treat this like a pandemic. And any country that has major air travel hubs is going to have take precautions. This is just way too convenient when you look back on all the problems Trump has faced during his term.
It also could push universal basic income to become a right, when outside of tragic circumstances it's only adding more welfare and preventing people from getting a job.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:12 pm to gthog61
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Oh look, in 1968 the numbers while not crippling the economy plunged after about 10 weeks.
10 weeks, that number sound familiar, where have I seen it?
I think you may be overlooking my point which is that this is clearly much worse that 1968. Given that, an argument that things weren't that bad in 1968 doesn't really get us very far.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:14 pm to volod
It is a pyramid scheme for progressives.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:15 pm to Dale51
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Why are there so many questions about the numbers and the attributed "cause" of death?
What could the reasons for that be?? I'm mostly referring to the attributed cause of death? What would the motivation be to determining that someone who died with Covid as someone who died from Covid?
I suppose I'd turn that back around to you. I am certainly aware that there, in particular on this Board, very strong "the mortality numbers are overstated feelings." But I can't understand what reasonable motive hospitals might have to overstate them to the state. You tell me.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:59 pm to longwayfromLA
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I think you may be overlooking my point which is that this is clearly much worse that 1968. Given that, an argument that things weren't that bad in 1968 doesn't really get us very far.
You are not factoring in the growth in population.
The population in 1968 was 200 million. Now, it is 330 million. If COVID-19 was exactly the same as the Hong Kong Flu, then you should expect the number of deaths from COVID to be 65% higher than HKF. We would have to have over 165K deaths, and we are only at 68K now (according to Worldometer, but the CDC has already put out revised numbers that are lower).
How can you say that COVID > HKF, when we are only at 40% of where we would be if COVID was equal to HKF? Sure, you can attribute social distancing to stopping some deaths, but you would be foolish to think it limited the deaths to less than half.
The Asian Flu killed 116,000 in 1957-58. Even if you doubled the deaths from COVID, it would still not have the same percentage of deaths as either the Asian or the HK Flu. I'll even spot you some deaths due to better healthcare now, but at best, the number of deaths per 100,000 people is even.
This doesn't even take into consideration the increase in urbanization in the US, which is 83% now and around 72% in 1968 and less than 70% in 1958.
You're free to think COVID is this enormous threat to humanity, but the numbers simply don't support your argument.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 9:42 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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The population in 1968 was 200 million. Now, it is 330 million. If COVID-19 was exactly the same as the Hong Kong Flu, then you should expect the number of deaths from COVID to be 65% higher than HKF. We would have to have over 165K deaths, and we are only at 68K now (according to Worldometer, but the CDC has already put out revised numbers that are lower).
What you're saying is that in total, in 1968 we experienced the equivalent of 165K deaths with no mitigation efforts in place. But today we've experienced 65K in a month and half, with massive mitigation efforts. Mitigation efforts where we can observe the slowdown in mortality growth. 5 weeks ago, deaths were growing at 5-6x per week. Now it's growing at less than 1.5x per week.
My question remains. What would you suggest would be driving the decrease in mortality growth absent mitigation efforts?
What reason would you have to believe that absent mitigation efforts we wouldn't be at 165K two weeks from now given the previous growth rates we have observed with this disease?
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How can you say that COVID > HKF, when we are only at 40% of where we would be if COVID was equal to HKF? Sure, you can attribute social distancing to stopping some deaths, but you would be foolish to think it limited the deaths to less than half.
Because the 1968 flu apparently ran free and killed people at what must have been a slower rate than COVID 19 has even with us in lockdown mode.
Posted on 5/2/20 at 10:33 pm to Keltic Tiger
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So all those body bags being loaded into freezer trucks are fake? All those bodies found stacked by a crematoria are fakes? A friend's mother was one of 15 to die in a nursing home of the virus, another fake? Oh, right, it's the flu. The political divide is real & disgusting. But the deaths are not a scam.
If they actually cared, they had hospitals throughout the state with empty beds that they could have transported. NYC grossly mishandled all of their cases
Posted on 5/2/20 at 10:43 pm to volod
Don’t you feel just a little nuts claiming this world wide pandemic, all the deaths, all the overwhelmed hospitals , all the countries and governments which would need to cooperate is just part of an elaborate scam by the “dems” and the liberal media boogie man? Trump has been gas lighting the crap out of you and you are eating it up.
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