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re: Current US turmoil was what Hitler predicted
Posted on 6/21/20 at 10:55 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 6/21/20 at 10:55 pm to OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/21/20 at 10:55 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast the other day ( "Supernova in the East"),
Good podcast. Dan is a good orator.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 10:58 pm to HempHead
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I'm not in the real world. I'm talking to you. I expect you to have more reticence to that statement than some dumb fricking hick I talk to in my local bar. I know what nuance is.
Well you’re saying things that 95% of people would find morally disgusting. You don’t defend Mein Kampf anymore than you justify rape. “Yeah she may have been raped, but she was asking for it with her skimpy clothing”. That’s what defending Mein Kampf sounds like to the average moral person.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:00 pm to OMLandshark
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That’s what defending Mein Kampf sounds like to the average moral person.
I'm not having that discussion with an average person. Just like I'm not trying to discuss Spengler, Heidegger, or whatever name drop bullshite I can pull out of my memory bank. There are, at the very least, a pretty decent amount of fairly intelligent people on this board. My speech patterns and what they contain here are vastly different than how I go about my business in my little town.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:01 pm to Antwaan Rebel Yell
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You never read Mein Kampf
Not thoroughly, but I have read much of Nazi ideology and find it wholly indefensible. You’re defending it, which makes you either brainwashed or a disgusting human being.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:02 pm to OMLandshark
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but I have read much of Nazi ideology
Like what? Myth of the 20th century?
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:03 pm to HempHead
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I'm not having that discussion with an average person. Just like I'm not trying to discuss Spengler, Heidegger, or whatever name drop bullshite I can pull out of my memory bank. There are, at the very least, a pretty decent amount of fairly intelligent people on this board. My speech patterns and what they contain here are vastly different than how I go about my business in my little town.
Well go tell your friends and acquaintances what you’re telling me and see how they react. I think the reaction will be a blocked number.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:05 pm to HempHead
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Like what? Myth of the 20th century?
Rise and Fall of the Third Reich
The Coming of the Third Reich
Inside the Third Reich
Hitler 1888-1936
I think I’m good on that.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:05 pm to OMLandshark
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Well go tell your friends and acquaintances what you’re telling me and see how they react. I think the reaction will be a blocked number.
You're missing my point entirely. I know what and to whom to discuss things. Some people have such a knee-jerk reaction to things that they are taught to find anathema that it doesn't even bother discussing it. For instance, I can tell you something that the board here would find deeply troubling - I think Marx's criticism of capitalism has a lot of merits, especially as it relates to alienation of labor. OMG!
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:07 pm to OMLandshark
you said you read the “ideology” not historical accounts
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:08 pm to HempHead
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You're missing my point entirely. I know what and to whom to discuss things. Some people have such a knee-jerk reaction to things that they are taught to find anathema that it doesn't even bother discussing it. For instance, I can tell you something that the board here would find deeply troubling - I think Marx's criticism of capitalism has a lot of merits, especially as it relates to alienation of labor. OMG!
I’ve had friends that are radical Marxists that I have disavowed and have gone crazy. This is how they talk when it comes to communism. I’m not going to play your games. What you are preaching is evil and a gateway to fascism. I encourage people to look into it, but I don’t encourage people to give people like Hitler, Lenin, and Stalin the benefit of the doubt and that they may have had a major point. They were evil that took advantage of a populace in chaos.
This post was edited on 6/21/20 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:09 pm to OMLandshark
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This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:09 pm to OMLandshark
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What you are preaching is evil
What have I preached? Intellectual curiosity?
If you are worried, I am not NatSoc at all, though I do think there are interesting things done re:economics that are worth exploring. I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater just because muh schoolin' said it was evil.
This post was edited on 6/21/20 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:13 pm to HempHead
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What have I preached? Intellectual curiosity?
You’re preaching Mein Kampf, my friend. And yes, the Communist Manifesto should be as reviled as that document. I think people should understand how people fall victim to that doctrine, and what you’re saying to me makes me think you’ve fallen victim to that doctrine. I’ve been trying to talk to communists for years on what they stand for is evil, and I think I’m doing the same to you. There were other much better avenues to correct the injustices in Germany and Russia. I’m not going to go down that path on saying these assholes were remotely justified in what they did.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:13 pm to HempHead
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This post was edited on 5/25/23 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:16 pm to OMLandshark
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You’re preaching Mein Kampf, my friend.
By me acknowledging that Mein Kampf was not without valid points, I am preaching it? By acknowledging that Marx was not without valid points, am I preaching Marxism? How could I possibly do both?
Narrow ideological boxes are silly. I can take parts of whatever I read and appreciate to help me understand the world, and to think about a better system. Whether that is classical liberalism, fascism, communism, georgism, or whatever -ism, it does not matter. My only concern is a system that works in the best interest of the polity, and recognizing what elements of society engage in parasitism and rent seeking.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:21 pm to Antwaan Rebel Yell
Yea but he’s “read” some other “books” that say mein kampf bad
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:22 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Because if its economic and historical prominence, the USA has a target (militarily and ideological) in its chest.
Even our "allies" want to see us bright to heel.
Even our "allies" want to see us bright to heel.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:23 pm to HempHead
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By me acknowledging that Mein Kampf was not without valid points, I am preaching it? By acknowledging that Marx was not without valid points, am I preaching Marxism? How could I possibly do both?
I’m just done with the “BUT” arguments. Maybe it has to do with me arguing with Marxists, but I’m not yielding an inch to people that think evil ideologies had a point. I understand how they occurred, but I think the way to combat evil ideologies is to not give them any inch. Evil ideologies prey on people that give an inch, and then they fester and destroy societies. I don’t blame the average German for looking at Red October and voting in their archenemies out of fear. I do blame people who give evil ideologies places to thrive. Nazism began in a beer hall basement, and it should have been eradicated then. There were other avenues for them to go down that weren’t Nazism or communism.
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Narrow ideological boxes are silly. I can take parts of whatever I read and appreciate to help me understand the world, and to think about a better system. Whether that is classical liberalism, fascism, communism, georgism, or whatever -ism, it does not matter. My only concern is a system that works in the best interest of the polity, and recognizing what elements of society engage in parasitism and rent seeking.
I just don’t believe in BUTs to evil ideologies. We need to understand them in order not to repeat them, but for every valid point Mein Kampf brings up, there are 20 evil points. I’m going to ponder what that horrific book has to say save for trying to avoid what it represents.
This post was edited on 6/21/20 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:25 pm to Antwaan Rebel Yell
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List them
Ask that in public to any of your family, friends, or acquaintances and see what their response would be.
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