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re: Dave Smith is back on with Rogan today
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:59 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:59 pm to Pettifogger
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But aren't they the same model?
No. If anything, Destiny and Dave are natural arch enemies. Destiny regularly wishes death upon people who disagree with them, even if they’re his neighbor. Dave’s never done that and the worst he’s called people who disagree with him to be losers. Destiny is a communist and libertarians hate communists almost as much as the Nazis did.
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:00 pm to 3nOut
I just read over that transcript, and I'm probably of your thinking here. But, I'll let people draw their own conclusions.
I suspect you and I would at least agree there is an opening there - which is good.
I suspect you and I would at least agree there is an opening there - which is good.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:01 pm to OMLandshark
Thanks for posting. Will listen to it this afternoon. Dave is usually on point.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:02 pm to 3nOut
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He is not a Christian and I would consider him a co-belligerent at best, but I truly think he values life and liberty.
Actually Dave is a recent convert to Christianity saying his wife and having children turned him into a believer.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:03 pm to upgrayedd
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This is where I disagree with him. The default position of Palestine is that Israel should be wiped off the map. You can’t have a two state solution with people like that.
I think you’re misunderstanding here, in that they need to be under control until they’ve debrainwashed the community, which will take at least 20 if not 40+ years. I’d say have a four way administration between Israel, Egypt, Jordan, and UAE.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:04 pm to 3nOut
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He's jewish and believes in a higher power with the moral calling to that, specifically God, but I've never heard him profess Jesus.
He did it on one of his Tucker interviews.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:06 pm to OMLandshark
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Then find someone who will beat Dave on an Israel debate. He’s been batting a thousand on that issue and he crushes anyone who crosses him in that debate.
I think konstantin kisin handled him easily during a one hour debate hosted by piers Morgan during the Iran bombings a few months ago.
Not only was Smith unreasonably hysterical around that time, but he also tried peddling some BS about how Iran wasn't enriching uranium to make a bomb, they just wanted everyone to think they were making a bomb (guess that plan blew up in their face). Smith didn't have much substance in that debate, all he could do was resort to calling Kisin an Israeli.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:07 pm to Pettifogger
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I suspect you and I would at least agree there is an opening there - which is good.
absolutely. I pray for his, Tim Pool, and Joe Rogan's conversion regularly. Those are my top 3 podcast listens. Shapiro as well, but i barely listen to him.
I think all of the above recognize that there is a higher power and that they enjoy living in a cultural Christian society, but haven't professed Jesus.
regarding the moment of faith about his wife and child, I've only ever heard him say that he went from lapse Jew to militant atheist, to a believer in God. Never that he's a christian.
Don't get me wrong, somebody who believes in a higher power is way more my ally than an atheist more often than not.
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:09 pm to OMLandshark
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I’d say have a four way administration between Israel, Egypt, Jordan, and UAE.
Wait.... So you're advocating for occupation of Palestinian territory? Because that's what Dave Smith has railed against.
The problem with Dave Smith is he can criticize Israel til he's blue in the face, but he cannot come up with a logical alternative as to how Israel should have responded to Oct 7.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:10 pm to 632627
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think konstantin kisin handled him easily during a one hour debate hosted by piers Morgan during the Iran bombings a few months ago.
He definitely did better than Murray and didn’t embarrass himself like Murray did, but I still think Dave comfortably beat him in the debate. Konstantin probably put up the best argument of someone I’ve heard argue with Dave about it though and I don’t think Konstantin is a complete shill either.
This is one I think you think the side you are on won the argument, but I see no such argument with Murray.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:13 pm to 632627
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Wait.... So you're advocating for occupation of Palestinian territory? Because that's what Dave Smith has railed against.
I mean, you just can’t let them loose with their current mentality. I think where Dave and I stand is we understand and sympathize with why Israel was formed, but we also understand what has happened to the Palestinians over the past 110 years.
I don’t think what we did (barring the Soviets of course) was exactly tyranny to the Germans and Japanese, more of a soft if firm guiding hand on a better way of life, and once they understand that, then they can govern themselves. But again, that’s going to take another generation if not two.
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The problem with Dave Smith is he can criticize Israel til he's blue in the face, but he cannot come up with a logical alternative as to how Israel should have responded to Oct 7.
Well I think Dave has implied this, but I’ll outright say that I think Mossad and Bibi knew October 7th was going to happen and let it so he could have the excuse to take the gloves off and commit mass ethnic cleansing.
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:14 pm to 3nOut
Yes agree.
For better or worse a ton of people in this realm appear to be at that juncture or close to it - add Peterson, Douglas Murray, etc. Candace to Catholicism. I don't think Doug is flirting with Christianity but he has openly expressed affinity for cultural Christianity.
But, it also raises some concerns for me. A bunch of people in the same sphere with some conversion/flirtation stuff around the same time, but without a really marked change in approach/etc. in the aftermath...
For better or worse a ton of people in this realm appear to be at that juncture or close to it - add Peterson, Douglas Murray, etc. Candace to Catholicism. I don't think Doug is flirting with Christianity but he has openly expressed affinity for cultural Christianity.
But, it also raises some concerns for me. A bunch of people in the same sphere with some conversion/flirtation stuff around the same time, but without a really marked change in approach/etc. in the aftermath...
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:15 pm to OMLandshark
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He definitely did better than Murray and didn’t embarrass himself like Murray did, but I still think Dave comfortably beat him in the debate. Konstantin probably put up the best argument of someone I’ve heard argue with Dave about it though and I don’t think Konstantin is a complete shill either.
i like Kisin and thought that was a pretty good draw. The reason why Kisin did better is that he didn't think he was above Dave and they both were treating each other like human beings.
I've heard a ton of BS out of KK's mouth, but I do think he is similar to Dave in valuing human life.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:16 pm to OMLandshark
The difference between Kisin and Murray is kisin was ready for a debate with Smith. Murray just thought he was making an appearance on Rogan to promote his book and was ambushed. But yes, Kisin argued Murray's position much better than Murray did.
Kisin also had a discussion (on triggernometry) shortly after with glen greenwald, and I think he got the best of glen as well.
Glen and Smith both took the same, "America is the bad guy, Iran isn't really making nukes" position, but both their arguments fell apart when discussing the uranium enrichment levels. Glen handled himself much better than Smith did, as Smith resorted to name calling.
Kisin also had a discussion (on triggernometry) shortly after with glen greenwald, and I think he got the best of glen as well.
Glen and Smith both took the same, "America is the bad guy, Iran isn't really making nukes" position, but both their arguments fell apart when discussing the uranium enrichment levels. Glen handled himself much better than Smith did, as Smith resorted to name calling.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:16 pm to Pettifogger
The aftermath of what Smith advocates for is just more of the same in the region. Thats the problem
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:17 pm to 3nOut
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i like Kisin and thought that was a pretty good draw. The reason why Kisin did better is that he didn't think he was above Dave and they both were treating each other like human beings.
Correct. It’s as simple as that. Plus he didn’t spend the first third of the debate slandering two people who weren’t there and chastising Dave and Piers about letting those people onto their programs.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:19 pm to 3nOut
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I do think Destiny is the single worst person Piers Morgan has ever had on his show.
i heard him on TimCast and gave him about 10 minutes on his own platform and said abort abort.
Horrible human being
Any man that allows and watches another man frick his wife is a horrible, weak, human being.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:19 pm to OMLandshark
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I think you’re misunderstanding here, in that they need to be under control until they’ve debrainwashed the community, which will take at least 20 if not 40+ years. I’d say have a four way administration between Israel, Egypt, Jordan, and UAE.
That would be nice but I just don’t see that happening. These people hold grudges for thousands of years. I think they crossed the Rubicon a long time ago.
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:20 pm to lake chuck fan
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Any man that allows and watches another man frick his wife is a horrible, weak, human being.
And I’m pretty sure that other grifter Lauren Southern fricked him
Posted on 8/26/25 at 4:22 pm to 632627
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Murray just thought he was making an appearance on Rogan to promote his book and was ambushed.
Murray wasn’t ambushed. He went on the offensive right out of the gate.
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