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re: Did we really have a choice here?
Posted on 3/3/26 at 4:53 am to ronricks
Posted on 3/3/26 at 4:53 am to ronricks
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We’ve lost soldiers. It’s war whether MAGA wants to admit it or not. We were told last year that the strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities were suc
We’ve lost soldiers in training exercises before. Your point?
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Posted on 3/3/26 at 4:55 am to jizzle6609
This isn’t a training exercise.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 4:55 am to ronricks
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If that was true why are we involved at all with this?
Because tyrants have to fall.
We also wanted to control the oil supply, so what. This is more about control everywhere than it is Iran. Iran is just a wet fart. They actually mean nothing.
Look, I’m no fan of Israel, trust me. Far from it.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 4:56 am to ronricks
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isn’t a training exercis
No way!
I was pointing out that a soldier dying does not mean a war is ongoing.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 4:58 am to jizzle6609
Donald Trump. Himself called it a war,
And it ain't pretty
And it ain't pretty
Posted on 3/3/26 at 4:59 am to PurpleCrush
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And it ain't pretty
Comparatively speaking it went well.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 5:53 am to jizzle6609
You have low expectations
Posted on 3/3/26 at 6:00 am to The Torch
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Rumor is Iran had put two hits out on Trump.
I dont think thats just a rumor.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 6:02 am to deuceiswild
Well the president campaigned on no new wars and continues to lie to MAGA. A majority of the podcasters that supported him have jumped ship.
MAGA would have turned on Charlie Kirk right about now.
MAGA would have turned on Charlie Kirk right about now.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 6:20 am to deuceiswild
There were three paths:
A) accept the globalist path and handover the middle class and our individual freedoms to the WEF
B) reduce our empire to a defensive posture in the western hemisphere to minimize defense spending while onshoring jobs to create a sustainable less interventionist bipolar world
C) expand the empire with the intent of being able to profit from it before our economy collapses under the weight of the debt we’ve already incurred
Trump ran on B but has opted for C. As long as he can stick the landing on regime change in Iran and Venezuela the leverage for tariffs has never been higher.
Im anti-aggressive war on moralistic grounds because Im a Christian, and opposed this intervention at this juncture because I don’t think we can sustain it long enough to give us a reasonable assurance that we can achieve the outcome we want, but from a pure power play standpoint we’re witnessing the boldest geopolitical move since WW2.
If Trump pulls of what he’s attempting (Venezuela/Iran/tariffs/onshoring) the US will be in position for a generation to deal with our debt issue from a place of leverage unimaginable even two years ago.
-The WEF would be at our feet economically and militarily
-Russia will have to make a deal vis-à-vis Ukraine having seen what we’re capable of on the battlefield and having lost two major allied nations in just months
-China will be on its heels globally as the its vassal states globally readjust to an incredibly powerful and assertive America empowered by a transformational leader
-Vance/Rubio would be in a position to continue the course post Trump
A) accept the globalist path and handover the middle class and our individual freedoms to the WEF
B) reduce our empire to a defensive posture in the western hemisphere to minimize defense spending while onshoring jobs to create a sustainable less interventionist bipolar world
C) expand the empire with the intent of being able to profit from it before our economy collapses under the weight of the debt we’ve already incurred
Trump ran on B but has opted for C. As long as he can stick the landing on regime change in Iran and Venezuela the leverage for tariffs has never been higher.
Im anti-aggressive war on moralistic grounds because Im a Christian, and opposed this intervention at this juncture because I don’t think we can sustain it long enough to give us a reasonable assurance that we can achieve the outcome we want, but from a pure power play standpoint we’re witnessing the boldest geopolitical move since WW2.
If Trump pulls of what he’s attempting (Venezuela/Iran/tariffs/onshoring) the US will be in position for a generation to deal with our debt issue from a place of leverage unimaginable even two years ago.
-The WEF would be at our feet economically and militarily
-Russia will have to make a deal vis-à-vis Ukraine having seen what we’re capable of on the battlefield and having lost two major allied nations in just months
-China will be on its heels globally as the its vassal states globally readjust to an incredibly powerful and assertive America empowered by a transformational leader
-Vance/Rubio would be in a position to continue the course post Trump
Posted on 3/3/26 at 6:22 am to deuceiswild
The Arab v Jew blood feud goes way back in Religious lore. Muhammad put it on a collision course with his suicidal ‘Martyrdom’ narrative. Add nuclear to that dynamic and the “choice “ becomes clear.
Pride weighs heavily in the feud and the fanatical Shiite Muslim Jihadist take their religion seriously. That are sworn to take out the State of Israel and we’re very close to having nukes. No matter what we do Israel’s definitely we’re going to preemptively attack the Jihadists. They have been fighting proxy wars for years and it had come down to a nuclear showdown. “Never Again “ being definitive.
If those fanatical Mullahs had their bombs and the capacity to deliver they would do so. And you can damn well bet the farm that the behind closed doors dialogue re Jews v Muslims was clear and on par with that of this Board. Jewish subs would have turned the Muslim ME into a Hiroshima wasteland, I., “blood up to the bridle of a horse “.
Bottom line: Islamists had to go. That is the pragmatic choice which was made. The Sunni Muslims know that they are on the verge of owning Europe and making great strides in America as well, so why force a calamitous showdown when they are guaranteed victory anyway.
They chose wisely. And now we can all get back to competing for the almighty ’dollar’. And the Marxist will fill the Revolution gap.
Pride weighs heavily in the feud and the fanatical Shiite Muslim Jihadist take their religion seriously. That are sworn to take out the State of Israel and we’re very close to having nukes. No matter what we do Israel’s definitely we’re going to preemptively attack the Jihadists. They have been fighting proxy wars for years and it had come down to a nuclear showdown. “Never Again “ being definitive.
If those fanatical Mullahs had their bombs and the capacity to deliver they would do so. And you can damn well bet the farm that the behind closed doors dialogue re Jews v Muslims was clear and on par with that of this Board. Jewish subs would have turned the Muslim ME into a Hiroshima wasteland, I., “blood up to the bridle of a horse “.
Bottom line: Islamists had to go. That is the pragmatic choice which was made. The Sunni Muslims know that they are on the verge of owning Europe and making great strides in America as well, so why force a calamitous showdown when they are guaranteed victory anyway.
They chose wisely. And now we can all get back to competing for the almighty ’dollar’. And the Marxist will fill the Revolution gap.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 6:26 am to deuceiswild
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Did we really have a choice here?
If we truly didn’t have a choice here, then the current POTUS should have campaigned on that reality, rather than promising that we would reject foreign entanglements and concentrate on our own country.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 6:37 am to deuceiswild
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Was Israel going to go at it alone?
100% they were convinced that if Iran got nukes, they were going to threaten to hit Tel Aviv weekly until they actually did.
They really saw it as an existential threat.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 6:47 am to deuceiswild
Israel should finish it. But our naval support should remain.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 6:52 am to Madking
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Making the wrong one for 40+ years has been catastrophic for the entire west.
You mean catastrophic for Israel. Iran is little to no threat at all to the U.S.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 6:55 am to Narax
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100% they were convinced that if Iran got nukes, they were going to threaten to hit Tel Aviv weekly until they actually did. They really saw it as an existential threat.
Have you ever once stopped and thought, “maybe Iran wants nukes because Israel has nukes. And as long as Israel has nukes, Iran feels very threatened.”
I say we blow up Israel’s secret nuclear centrifuges so we can finally have peace in the Middle East.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 6:59 am to TigersWin88
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Have you ever once stopped and thought, “maybe Iran wants nukes because Israel has nukes. And as long as Israel has nukes, Iran feels very threatened.”
Thats obvious, but its also obvious that Iran would have continued to posture that they would use them.
The point isn’t how Iran felt, its how Israel felt, and thats undeniable.
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I say we blow up Israel’s secret nuclear centrifuges so we can finally have peace in the Middle East.
If you think that's going to happen or would have any impact on middle east peace...
You would be a fool.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 7:05 am to Narax
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The point isn’t how Iran felt, its how Israel felt, and thats undeniable
Only dumb, arrogant people in the west think this way. If you can’t understand the motivations of your enemy, and can only think through your side’s own, you have a logic problem.
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If you think that's going to happen or would have any impact on middle east peace... You would be a fool.
It absolutely would and we can only hope one day an American leader is strong enough to make it happen.
The day Israel ‘stole’ from us to create their secret nuclear weapons program was the day they stopped listened to what we told them to do. They’ve been a rogue nation ever since. They are the reason there’s been war in the Middle East 24/7 for the past 40 years. People don’t want to admit it but they have an apocalyptic eschatology that is on par, if not worse, than the Muslims do. They are demonic, anti-Christ, religious zealots.
This post was edited on 3/3/26 at 7:08 am
Posted on 3/3/26 at 7:05 am to TigersWin88
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u mean catastrophic for Israel. Iran is little to no threat at all to the U.S.
Israel can and should take care of Israel. Israel to me knowledge never has offered to help the US secure our southern border, or help with drug interdiction, or assist with keeping China out of the Gulf, or any other Western Hemisphere issue.
Our interest in the ME should be protecting our assets there.
Posted on 3/3/26 at 7:38 am to TigersWin88
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Only dumb, arrogant people in the west think this way. If you can’t understand the motivations of your enemy, and can only think through your side’s own, you have a logic problem.
... dude maybe you non western thinkers are just inbred and retarded.
1. Israel is not my enemy, nor are they my side.
2. I'm telling you how Israel thinks
3. Israel is your enemy and you seem to be unable to accept how they think.
4. There is amazing irony that you cant think well enough to see your enemy's side while claiming others cant see their enemy's side... you may want to rethink that.
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It absolutely would and we can only hope one day an American leader is strong enough to make it happen.
Sorry your gay mayor of NYC will never be president.
Only Muslims or inbred morons would ever consider attacking Israel.
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The day Israel ‘stole’ from us to create their secret nuclear weapons program was the day they stopped listened to what we told them to do.
Yup, the Russians did as well. Thats obviously not why you hate them.
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They’ve been a rogue nation ever since and are the reason there’s been war in the Middle East 24/7 for the past 40 years
Wow... you cannot think for yourself can you.
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