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re: Does anyone have an issue with threesomes? (This has become a holy war)
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:30 pm to shel311
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:30 pm to shel311
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I'm just trying to understand why people can have such strong views because the Bible says so but those same people pick and choose which parts of the Bible they strongly believe and which parts they ignore.
Voddie Baucham - This is WHY we pick and choose from the Old Testament (YouTube)
In all seriousness, this Christian Apologist really helped explain to me why Christians can and even should pick and choose from the Old Testament (the parts with the stoning and diet restrictions that usually get thrown in our face).
I know it’s long, but if you are sincere in trying to understand what you mentioned above, I recommend giving a listen.
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Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:31 pm to The Maj
quote:Why do you care that I care? You're just asking nothing questions right now, it's just words for the sake of typing words. What you're doing here is no different than the guy saying some people morally think rape and murder is ok, so now what!
Then why do you care if someone believes it is a sin?
quote:There isn't any 1 thing wrong with this country, there are many. If you don't think this is one of them, we can just move on from this discussion entirely as it would be wasting my time if you're that out of touch with reality that you think that's not an issue in today's world.
This is not what is wrong with this country.
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Not really
This post was edited on 8/24/20 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:32 pm to NakaTrash
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Voddie Baucham - This is WHY we pick and choose from the Old Testament (YouTube)
Is he gay? That's a nice jumper he has on. Not judging but just observing.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:32 pm to shel311
quote:It isn't "all of a sudden". Christians have been concerned about this since Christ was preaching on earth.
Religious people do this every single day, so the question is in reverse, why all of a sudden do religious people care about this?
Repentance of sin is a sign of true faith, and faith is what reconciles sinners to a holy God. It's important.
quote:Why are "adverse effect[s]" the reason for that line in the sand for you?
Because one has an adverse effect on another person, and the other is people consenting to do whatever they want to do that has no effect on anyone outside of the people involved.
Why shouldn't the pleasure of one person override the suffering of another, for instance? Why is it OK to leave your spouse and crush them and your children for your own happiness, for example?
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:33 pm to FooManChoo
Is God a separate entity from you? Because it sounds like you created God in your own image.
This post was edited on 8/24/20 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:34 pm to pankReb
quote:It's not OK. Forgiveness comes through heartfelt repentance and faith in Christ. Simply saying "sorry" in hopes of being forgiven means nothing if you have no intention of stopping what you're doing.
It's ok to frick multiple women so long as you ask God for forgiveness.
quote:Is it self-admittedly saying it shouldn't be followed as an absolute? Pretty sure it claims to be the very word of God, and says that God can't lie, so therefore it must be truth.
ooooor....and just hear me out....some people ignore the fact that the bible is self-admittedly a collection of stories told by a number of people(some of them 2nd-hand) is meant to follow as a guild and not an absolute.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:35 pm to CFFreak
quote:Right and I'd bet these dudes have called those Karens out either on here in their personal lives or thought it to themselves for Karens not minding their own business.
This is called Karen-ing. Apparently even the Right has their Karen's.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:36 pm to FooManChoo
Why do you believe God (assuming he/she is a separate entity form you) would just destroy the ever loving shite out of someone for having sex with someone who's not his wife?
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:38 pm to Homesick Tiger
quote:The question wasn't a legal (civil law) one. It was a moral question and it's morally wrong based on God's moral standard.
But it's not illegal. Know of anyone who has ever gone to jail for adultery? Me either. Kinda doesn't make sense then if the spouse is caught committing adultery they basically can still get half of everything - for something they didn't even get jail time for. So why is adultery considered such a bad thing in the eyes of the law?
That said, there is a civil side of it that should be considered. Adultery is a betrayal and can ruin a relationship and a family and the family unit is important for raising children in safe, stable environments. I think there should be legal recourse for adultery.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:40 pm to FooManChoo
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I think there should be legal recourse for adultery.
I'm glad you don't get to make the rules man but I am grateful to you for being honest. I respect your opinions. You at least make arguments for them.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:41 pm to shel311
quote:I think you're missing the point.
I feel like you're going wayyyyyyyyyy too high level here.
The question boils down to this: where does your moral standard come from?
If it comes from what you personally feel is right, then your standard is by definition no better or worse than that of Hitler's or Ghandi's, because theirs would also be simply their own personal opinions.
If you lack an objective source for moral reasoning like God's perfect and holy character as revealed in His scriptures, then you're left with your on personal opinion, to which anyone can reply, "so what?"
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:43 pm to shel311
quote:So is it consent or is it harm that is your standard? Regardless, why is that your standard?
Because of 2 or 3 consenting adults decide to do something that has no effect on you, i'm good with it
quote:So what? What if someone else does see a reason or feels that they are wrong? Who is right?
I don't see any reason why I'd tell them or feel they're wrong for doing that or anything else that fits that same line.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:44 pm to FooManChoo
quote:Because for me that is the most logical code to live by. If someone is doing something that has no adverse effect on others, why should anyone tell them they're not allowed to do that?
Why are "adverse effect[s]" the reason for that line in the sand for you?
quote:I don't know what you're asking here in relation to this discussion?
Why shouldn't the pleasure of one person override the suffering of another, for instance?
quote:Why is it ok to be forced to stay with your spouse and crush yourself by result of having to do so? That question also makes no sense for the sake of this discussion and post you replied to of mine, but you're making it out to be black and white, and that question is anything but that, it's the exact opposite. What if leaving my spouse makes my spouse happier and is better for my spouse and kids, now what?
Why is it OK to leave your spouse and crush them and your children for your own happiness, for example?
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:45 pm to CFFreak
quote:God is a separate being from me, yes. He is the creator and I am the creature.
Is God a separate entity from you? Because it sounds like you created God in your own image
No, I'm not creating God in my image. My knowledge of God comes from His revelation in the Bible.
Why do you think I'm creating God in my image?
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:45 pm to CFFreak
Consenting adults can do whatever they want in the privacy of their own homes.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:46 pm to CFFreak
quote:Adultery is a sin and sin deserves God's wrath. God can only abide perfect obedience because He is perfect and without sin and to sin is to rebel against God.
Why do you believe God (assuming he/she is a separate entity form you) would just destroy the ever loving shite out of someone for having sex with someone who's not his wife?
You seem to be focused just on the sexual part of this sin here but what I'm saying (what the Bible says) goes beyond adultery. It's true for any and all sins.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:48 pm to FooManChoo
quote:I mean, let's not act like you're better than the other side and the other side can't do the same exact thing and say, "so what" that you base your opinion on the Bible.
If you lack an objective source for moral reasoning like God's perfect and holy character as revealed in His scriptures, then you're left with your on personal opinion, to which anyone can reply, "so what?"
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:49 pm to FooManChoo
So why are the other holy books wrong? If you're basing everything just on the bible.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:50 pm to FooManChoo
quote:Both, but they go hand in hand. If someone is forced to do something against their will, that is doing harm, so you kinda gotta have both.
So is it consent or is it harm that is your standard?
quote:My code is based on logic, there isn't much more logical than that.
Regardless, why is that your standard?
quote:I can give my opinion on that, but I can say pretty darn close to factual who is more logical.
So what? What if someone else does see a reason or feels that they are wrong? Who is right?
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:51 pm to shel311
quote:Why should anyone tell them they're not allowed to do something that does have adverse affects? Why does having adverse affects make something immoral? Cancer has adverse affects but it is a-moral. Why are actions by evolved pond scum any different?
Because for me that is the most logical code to live by. If someone is doing something that has no adverse effect on others, why should anyone tell them they're not allowed to do that?
quote:I'm providing another standard for morality. Why isn't selfish ambition an acceptable alternative to prevention of suffering?
I don't know what you're asking here in relation to this discussion?
quote:That's a different question. My question was about being selfish and acting in a way that results in your spouse and children being heartbroken, potentially destitute, and missing a stable environment for growth.
Why is it ok to be forced to stay with your spouse and crush yourself by result of having to do so? That question also makes no sense for the sake of this discussion and post you replied to of mine, but you're making it out to be black and white, and that question is anything but that, it's the exact opposite. What if leaving my spouse makes my spouse happier and is better for my spouse and kids, now what?
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