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re: Does this silly cartoon explain what's wrong with Identity Politics?
Posted on 12/27/17 at 12:54 am to BigEdLSU
Posted on 12/27/17 at 12:54 am to BigEdLSU
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Is not the premise of "white privilege" that a majority has created a biased system that benefits them unfairly?
It's not my premise but I'm pretty sure that's their point
it's pretty much undeniable if you look at history. the youth of today have it easy though.. work hard and you'll succeed. their grandparents didn't have it so easy.
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Posted on 12/27/17 at 1:41 am to bmy
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the youth of today have it easy though.. work hard and you'll succeed. their grandparents didn't have it so easy.
I don't think I buy this, at least compared to the previous generations.
Greatest Gen, by and large, didn't even need to go to college to get a job good enough to allow them to marry, buy a house, and start a family.
Boomers might not necessarily have needed to do that either, but if they did go to college (which started exploding in accessibility around this time), they were more or less set for the same marry-house-kids plan.
Millennials all have a college degree. That eliminates the advantage of having one. Obviously you have MUH GENDER STUDIES idiots who deserve the Starbucks "career" they got, but it's not just degrees not worth the paper they're written on who are getting in trouble. Especially if you're a white male, it can be pretty damn difficult to beat affirmation action hiring in STEM fields, which already face stiff competition due to the fact that a STEM degree is considered the only type of 4-yr degree that actually matters. (It is fairly amusing to point this out in response to a post acknowledging the existence of "white privilege," as though being white is at all a privilege in the extremely tough process of converting degree to career job.)
Greatest Gens and some Boomers (admittedly not all) also have pensions. Millennials are never going to get pensions. Social Security destroyed that.
Except that's not even the whole story either, because all Greatest Gens and all Boomers will both get to claim SS. SS will be bankrupt by the time Millennials get to claiming age, take that to the bank.
I'm not going to act like Millennials are somehow uniquely suffering or that their lot is unbearable or anything melodramatic, like most Millennials love to do. Lord knows the Greatest Gen had their hands full... the name ain't for nothin. But "work hard and you'll succeed" is less true today than it's ever been in America.
Just look around. Affirmative action and welfare are frickin everywhere, what about any of those things tells a normal white boy "work hard and you'll succeed"? More like "be damn sure you outwork everyone because you start off with a disadvantage in hiring due to your skin color and genitals, then enjoy getting cucked by Uncle Sam siphoning a quarter or more of your paycheck off to give to other people who aren't working or doing anything productive."
We have a culture that venerates laziness and victimhood like none before in this country's history, and which shows more disdain for the exact "work hard and you'll succeed" mantra you and I agree should be the way things are.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 6:19 am to SlowFlowPro
Interesting.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 6:24 am to BigEdLSU
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No they say it's because of a stacked deck created by having majority
How come all the countries where minorities are the majority are shitholes?
Posted on 12/27/17 at 6:28 am to BigEdLSU
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No they say it's because of a stacked deck created by having majority
So Latino privilege in South America.
Black privilege in Africa.
Indian privilege in India.
You fricks are worthless with this race sheit.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 6:48 am to SlowFlowPro
That is such a flawed argument. Being white alone does not guarantee anyone success and being black does not prevent success.
Not every white person is born with a silver sooon and not every black person is born into poverty.
Not every white person is born with a silver sooon and not every black person is born into poverty.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 7:59 am to SlowFlowPro
The left IDs don't describe it in those terms.
This post was edited on 12/27/17 at 11:21 am
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:08 am to cwill
it's not perfect, but when you get into Western cultural domination of the world + associating that with being "white", you essentially get there
white privilege is almost essentially western cultural privilege
white privilege is almost essentially western cultural privilege
This post was edited on 12/27/17 at 8:09 am
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Whites are not “racially supreme”, so they are both wrong.
In general, we do have traits that give us an advantage over blacks, but those are not the only two races around.
We are all being played and white people are also really good at playing themselves.
But anyway, referrring to this subject perjoratively as “identity politics” is a losing game. You may not care about this stuff, but your political opponents are beating you to death with it.
In general, we do have traits that give us an advantage over blacks, but those are not the only two races around.
We are all being played and white people are also really good at playing themselves.
But anyway, referrring to this subject perjoratively as “identity politics” is a losing game. You may not care about this stuff, but your political opponents are beating you to death with it.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:14 am to uway
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Whites are not “racially supreme”, so they are both wrong.
well yeah that's the point. racial differences, whatever they may be, don't explain the difference in outcomes
cultural differences do
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
Racial supremacy is the wrong word here, it’s about being a race realist. To completely deny genetic differences in races and subsequent differing societal outcomes is a crippling handicap in ever being able to constitute real change.
And saying everyone is exactly equal in all aspects of human ability is insane on many levels and it leaves only one possible conclusion, that whites are inherently evil.
But the left does t want an honest discussion or improvement, they see blacks as nothing more than a voting class.
And saying everyone is exactly equal in all aspects of human ability is insane on many levels and it leaves only one possible conclusion, that whites are inherently evil.
But the left does t want an honest discussion or improvement, they see blacks as nothing more than a voting class.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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cultural differences do
What cultural differences led to the staggering lack of technological development in Sub Daharan Africa .
What led to cultural differences? A roll of the dice?
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:21 am to Strannix
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What led to cultural differences? A roll of the dice?
there isn't one simple answer to this question, since we're dealing with a large variety of people over a long period of time
but the simplest explanation i just thought of on the fly is this: SSA wasn't ever conquered by a major empire until the Europeans of the 18th-19th centuries. empire was the tool that spread ideas and technology that developed the world. SSA was largely left alone
*ETA: the non-coastal areas also weren't really involved in international trade, either
This post was edited on 12/27/17 at 8:24 am
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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until the Europeans of the 18th-19th centuries
and now the Chinese
and unlike the Europeans who eventually turned it back over to the natives and left town, I don't think they will
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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SSA wasn't ever conquered by a major empire until the Europeans of the 18th-19th centuries. empire was the tool that spread ideas and technology that developed the world. SSA was largely left alone
Why didn’t they have a developed empire We are talking about a huge area here, rich in farmland and a huge wealth of natural resources, why weren’t they out conquering?
This post was edited on 12/27/17 at 8:27 am
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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racial differences, whatever they may be, don't explain the difference in outcomes
Racial differences absolutely make a difference in outcomes. Are you denying something so obvious?
Unless you’re trying to say racial differences don’t COMPLETELY explain the differences in outcomes. But that’s kind of a “duh” point. Either way, you’re downplaying the effect of racial differences.
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cultural differences do
Environmental factors make a difference, but that difference is secondary. Even if blacks and whites somehow had identical cultures, blacks would have a harder time succeeding here, because in general, genetically they are not equipped to compete with whites on a level economic playing field.
The powers that be are pushing for a mixed racial future, because they know the above is true.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:31 am to uway
I have some dank Royal wedding memes if y'all wanna see
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:32 am to Strannix
For all you know black people played a major role in ancient advanced civilizations. But that's a different discussion on whether or not you believe the history they spoonfeed us.
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:32 am to Strannix
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We are talking about a huge area here, rich in farmland and a huge wealth of natural resources, why weren’t they out conquering?
what was the need?
i don't think Guns, Germs, and Steel is 100% correct but i think it has good insights to give some explanation to these questions
things like trade and empire not only exchanged culture and technology, but they also created the need to develop both. SSA simply didn't have this competition because none had the need to develop to that level. indigenous tribes all over were similar it has nothing to do with Africa or race or anything. some areas were just remote enough and plentiful enough to sustain iron-age living through the industrial revolution in the West
Posted on 12/27/17 at 8:36 am to uway
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Environmental factors make a difference, but that difference is secondary. Even if blacks and whites somehow had identical cultures, blacks would have a harder time succeeding here, because in general, genetically they are not equipped to compete with whites on a level economic playing field.
you're wrong. this is 100% wrong
it's pretty much all culture. just look at the Flynn Effect (and how consuming information is linked to the cause of it)
that is a self-propelling cultural tool to increase IQ that has nothing to do with genetics. the "hack" is available to everyone. that's why Japan and China were able to adapt their backwards economies so quickly
Japan went from an undeveloped, isolated Samurai/feudal state to industrial in, what, 50 years?
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