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Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:49 am to
Posted by RedPants
GA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:49 am to
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Incorrect, if you are on the clock running groceries and to the gym.

Salaried employees, who much are most of the WFH people, have been expected to be “on the clock” at most hours of the day for decades. If someone wants to run to the grocery store and take their work phone with them, there should be zero backlash for that.
Posted by Mick Hogger
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2020
660 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 10:50 am to
He's trolling you. There is no correct answer than absolutely agreeing with him. He doesn't process there are different situations for everyone because that eliminates the troll.

Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:33 am to
Pelosi is another WFH fraudster. Elon is about to drop the hammer. I didn't have Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos teaming up to get rid of WFH on my bingo card

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Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
12106 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:34 am to
But she gets her work done.

Nevermind that the amount of work she's expected to do is calibrated to the fact that she actually doesn't work there.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15072 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:38 am to
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have a kid with several chronic illnesses that she deals with, thank God I can work from home.


You are not WFH. You are taking care of your kid


Let me introduce you to the Reasonable Accomodation world.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55453 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:42 am to
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If y'all have any questions about what I am like IRL, EZE has met me



I’ll say nice things if you support me working from home
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 11:43 am
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55453 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 11:46 am to
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You are not WFH. You are taking care of your kid


You have no way of knowing this at all.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
12699 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:08 pm to


Something to chew on...
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
12106 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:09 pm to
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You have no way of knowing this at all.


You're so close to figuring this out.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471567 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:12 pm to
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I’ll say nice things if you support me working from home


Already ahead of you, brother
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
12699 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:13 pm to
Just my opinion, leadership should have quantifiable indicators of performance that doesn't lead to the question whether the employee is walking their dog or rocking their baby instead of working.

If a company can't derive success metrics and their solution is just install the wage cage then they'll surely fail in some other way down the line.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471567 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:13 pm to
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You're so close to figuring this out.


It seems you're referencing the lack of supervision being an issue creating externalities related to this "not knowing".

I'm sure their employers know if their work was completed, though, which is all that matters.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471567 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:14 pm to
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Just my opinion, leadership should have quantifiable indicators of performance that doesn't lead to the question whether the employee is walking their dog or rocking their baby instead of working.


Your opinion represents a much better understanding of value, efficiency, and productivity than those defaulting to an hourly mindset.
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 1:15 pm
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
12699 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:17 pm to
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Your opinion represents a much better understanding of value, efficiency, and productivity and those defaulting to an hourly mindset.



How are you going to terminate poor performers without burdening middle management into mall copping their problematic reports - thus creating a management inefficiency knock-on effect - without having success criteria that is clear to everyone from the top to the bottom of the organization?

You've got to do this so performance-based terminations do not turn into HR litigation nightmares. So, if you can't deduce an employee is not performing to their expectations in a remote-work situation then how the hell are you going to fire them if they sit in a cube all day?
This post was edited on 11/19/24 at 1:18 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471567 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

How are you going to terminate poor performers without burdening middle management into mall copping their problematic reports - thus creating a management inefficiency knock-on effect - without having success criteria that is clear to everyone from the top to the bottom of the organization?




quote:

You've got to do this so performance-based terminations do not turn into HR litigation nightmares. So, if you can't deduce an employee is not performing to their expectations in a remote-work situation then how the hell are you going to fire them if they sit in a cube all day?


Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
12699 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by lsuguy84
Madisonville
Member since Feb 2009
27046 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:23 pm to
Can you explain this in an hourly vernacular for John Barron?
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
12699 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:48 pm to
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Can you explain this in an hourly vernacular for John Barron?



Sure: you're not paying a software engineer to sit in cube with nothing to do. Additionally, it doesn't matter if they put in 40 hours but shite still don't work.
Posted by John Barron
The Mar-a-Lago Club
Member since Sep 2024
17101 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 1:54 pm to
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you're not paying a software engineer to sit in cube with nothing to do.


You are also not paying them to shop for groceries or go to the gym while on the clock. WFH fraudsters love to work half the time but say my work is complete. Good, we will cut your salary in half and pay you for the 20 hours you worked this week.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
12699 posts
Posted on 11/19/24 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

You are also not paying them to shop for groceries or go to the gym while on the clock. WFH fraudsters love to work half the time but say my work is complete. Good, we will cut your salary in half and pay you for the 20 hours you worked this week.



Lets say we have two employees working for the same company:

Employee A work 40 hours in a week. Employee A produce 20k of value for the company in the week.

Employee B works 20 real hours but was available for 40 hours during the week. Employee B produces 200k of value for the company in the week.

Who do you think the ownership values more? What would be the rational distribution of their revenues?
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