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re: Employers of illegals next on the list
Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:12 am to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:12 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Oh well you gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet.
The insanity of this board never ceases to amaze.
Just imagine, as difficult as it might seem, other government agencies backed by similar sentiments.
So, I guess you're OK with the IRS seizing assets and arresting people over businesses being unaware of some obscure tax code?
Or how about the EPA seizing assets and arresting people for unknowingly violating pollution laws? Or maybe arresting you and seizing your house ` for not storing paint or chemicals in your garage correctly.
Or OSHA.
I mean, we got eggs to scramble.
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Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:13 am to geoag58
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There are thousands of small businesses whose only option for employees, through no fault of their own, are Hispanics. When I owned a small business I had a level where Hispanics were the only people applying for the job. It wasn't always like that. In fact when I first opened my business I had no Hispanics. But over time they were the only applicants. There are thousands of businesses that will have to close down if these draconian measures are enacted. This will never be allowed to happen.
Small business with no say in border security and too small to hold sway with politicos shouldn't be decimated because of the sins of others
We need to fix our immigration system. Allow qualified immigrants to work legally and pay taxes, but not be citizens.
Those not employable or partaking in illegal activities should be deported.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:15 am to geoag58
If you can’t run a business without illegal labor you don’t have a viable business. Why should it be ok to break that specific law? You could probably make a hell of a profit if you steal the raw materials for your business. Would that be ok too?
Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:18 am to geoag58
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There are thousands of small businesses whose only option for employees, through no fault of their own, are Hispanics. When I owned a small business I had a level where Hispanics were the only people applying for the job. It wasn't always like that. In fact when I first opened my business I had no Hispanics. But over time they were the only applicants. There are thousands of businesses that will have to close down if these draconian measures are enacted. This will never be allowed to happen.
Small business with no say in border security and too small to hold sway with politicos shouldn't be decimated because of the sins of others
The employers can use people who are here legally (green card\work visa) or better yet raise wages to get citizens who may not do the work for $10/hour but would for $15. Those costs are then passed on to the buyer.
At least that is how it is supposed to work in a capitolist economy.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:29 am to anc
I think the word is out and self-deportations are already happening here. The contractor we hired to remodel our kitchen said it's going to be mid-July before they can start on it. LOL.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:47 am to slidingstop
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Hint, there are. I know of people who use them. If they can do so, why cant you?)
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H-2B Temporary Non-agricultural Program
Apparently can't link a .gov website but this is what it is called so copy and paste and read through the site.
Just read through the requirements. Have you ever read through the requirements?
No one has time to jump through that many hoops for a 12 to 15 dollar an hour job.
The only way to prevent the situation we have now was to never let them in, in the first place. And the only way to get them to go home is cut off all benefits from the GOVERNMENT. So the government let them in, gives them benefits encouraging them to stay, but not enough so they still need to work. They fill a niche in the labor pool that no one else wants.
If the illegals never came and labor rates rose the business has to raise prices to cover increases in wages. But this didn't happen and business had to deal with the situation on the ground. And you want to punish the small business owner because you couldn't be bothered to solve a problem that started forty years ago when we were all too young to realize there was a problem. Shame on you.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:52 am to anc
I fully support harsh punishments against employers hiring illegals UNLESS they were using E-Verify. E-Verify is the system set up by and in the case of federal contractors and some states, mandated by the government. Homeland Security set this system up to supposedly verify the employment eligibility of workers but its actual effectiveness is highly questionable because it checks the documents, not the person. Identity documents can be borrowed, stolen or forged and if E-Verify isn't notifying the employer that there is a discrepancy, that is on DHS, not the employer. An employer questioning the validity of documents opens themselves up to discrimination claims by employees. It even says specifically on the I-9 form:
Employers cannot ask employees for documentation to verify information in Section 1, or specify which acceptable documentation employees must present for Section 2 or Supplement B, Reverification and Rehire. Treating employees differently based on their citizenship, immigration status, or national origin may be illegal.
If an employer is hiring people without filing I-9s, not using E-Verify, paying cash, etc - fine them painfully and lock them up. If they are checking all the employment process boxes, no you cannot outsource the responsibility for our government's failure to control its borders and immigration onto private citizens.
Employers cannot ask employees for documentation to verify information in Section 1, or specify which acceptable documentation employees must present for Section 2 or Supplement B, Reverification and Rehire. Treating employees differently based on their citizenship, immigration status, or national origin may be illegal.
If an employer is hiring people without filing I-9s, not using E-Verify, paying cash, etc - fine them painfully and lock them up. If they are checking all the employment process boxes, no you cannot outsource the responsibility for our government's failure to control its borders and immigration onto private citizens.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 11:59 am to anc
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Employers of illegals next on the list
should have been 1st on "the list"..
they hire illegals so they can pay them shite wages that they know they couldnt pay citizens to do the same work.. they do not pay the taxes associated with payroll., there is no possible way to overlook this as an employer, they know exactly what they are doing
This post was edited on 6/13/25 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:12 pm to geoag58
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Have you ever read through the requirements?
No, thats why I asked. The people I know who use them are small timers. They don't have HR departments and they aren't paying major bucks for the employees. So my thought is that it can't be that expensive or daunting to use the program. Nor can it be cost prohibitive.
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If the illegals never came and labor rates rose the business has to raise prices to cover increases in wages. But this didn't happen and business had to deal with the situation on the ground
OK. So deal with the situation on the ground now. Start using legal workers and quit hiring illegals.
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you want to punish the small business owner because you couldn't be bothered to solve a problem that started forty years ago when we were all too young to realize there was a problem. Shame on you
brother, everything changes. Sorry this wasn't addressed before you incorporated, but now it needs to be addressed. I'm sorry your gonna feel some pain, but who amongst us hasn't? Especially in the business world.
I didn't like losing my job when it happened to me. And it wasn't my fault! But shite happens.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:20 pm to geoag58
Spare me the crocodile tears pussy. It’s called life. We pay ridiculous prices for everything for many reasons but a big one is having to compete with leeches here illegally. Our medical costs are astronomical because of them among other things.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:21 pm to Megasaurus
You want asylum? A law should be passed to require proof of employment income with the name and address of the employer or a statement explaining from what financial means the applicant has been living on in the last three years.
It is either a perjury trap or evidence on an American unlawfully employing applicant.
Also if no income for three years, denial of the petition for citizenship should be denied.
It is either a perjury trap or evidence on an American unlawfully employing applicant.
Also if no income for three years, denial of the petition for citizenship should be denied.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:29 pm to anc
I know someone at a Bug company with many plants they have many non English speaking employees.
They just got an email saying what to do when ICE shows up.
They except it to happen soon
They just got an email saying what to do when ICE shows up.
They except it to happen soon
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:31 pm to anc
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He said clients have been “calling in a panic — asking if they should be looking for ways to cut out potentially undocumented workers.
If you have to ask.......
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:34 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Illegals use stolen identities
Someone else reported income against my SSN in 2001. SSA would not tell me who it was, or even the city/state they reported the income from.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:40 pm to anc
We are a country of 'I like my cheap sh!t". This is likely as a result of being exposed to the likes of Wal-Mart for the past 3 to 4 decades.
For Trump's change(s) to be long-lasting, the illegals ALL have to go back. Furthermore, a greater effort needs to be made to identify and prosecute the bigger corporate violators of the employment law (which will sadly never happen). All of these issues are connected. It will be painful, it will have a cost, but, if we as a nation have any chance to return to 'MADE IN AMERICA' it has to happen!
For Trump's change(s) to be long-lasting, the illegals ALL have to go back. Furthermore, a greater effort needs to be made to identify and prosecute the bigger corporate violators of the employment law (which will sadly never happen). All of these issues are connected. It will be painful, it will have a cost, but, if we as a nation have any chance to return to 'MADE IN AMERICA' it has to happen!
This post was edited on 6/13/25 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 6/13/25 at 12:59 pm to alphaandomega
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The employers can use people who are here legally (green card\work visa) or better yet raise wages to get citizens who may not do the work for $10/hour but would for $15. Those costs are then passed on to the buyer.
At least that is how it is supposed to work in a capitolist economy.
Back in the late nineties or early two thousands I got a letter from SS administration that an employees SS number was wrong and I should investigate, but I could not fire the person for wrong SS number and some other blather. Granted this person had worked for me for five years and the IRS had seen twenty or so quarterly employee reports with that number. I had just started using a computer to keep up with accounting info. I asked my accountant about it and he said it was politics and try to ignore the letter. Looking at information at the time they were talking about going after employers. A short time later after apparently getting pushback there was a story that they were backing off. I never heard another word about it I sold the business several years ago and as far as I know the person is still there.
Point is this stuff has been going on for a long time and the only people who can solve the problem won't.
Personally I think the right pigs used to squeal when they needed more workers and when enough had been let in they would raid a few big employers to shut it down. The problem is the dim-marxusts hatched the plan the gain control by flooding the country using the same system.
I think the fair tax plan would solve the problem. Part of the plan is to do away with all payroll taxes and replace with a national sales tax of plus or minus twenty percent only collected at the retail level on new items and services. According to the plan in order to make it regressive every man woman and child citizen would receive a five hundred dollar per month prebate. If someone came in illegally they would not receive the prebate but would pay the twenty percent national sales tax. The new job of the IRS would be to stop the black market. I think the fair tax by itself would discourage illegals.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 1:05 pm to slidingstop
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OK. So deal with the situation on the ground now. Start using legal workers and quit hiring illegals.
I sold my business years ago. The point was it got to the point there were NO blacks or whites looking and here in Texas there were only Hispanics. The problem came on gradually and after it happened the only answer would have been to shut it down.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 1:11 pm to LemmyLives
quote:this has happened to me also.
Someone else reported income against my SSN in 2001. SSA would not tell me who it was, or even the city/state they reported the income from.
Right at the 3 year mark I got called for an audit (I get one every 3.5 years on average for 15 years now) and they cited unreported income.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 1:33 pm to LemmyLives
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Someone else reported income against my SSN in 2001. SSA would not tell me who it was, or even the city/state they reported the income from.
Same thing happened to me in 2003. I have to have a PIN code mailed to me each year to used for taxes.
Posted on 6/13/25 at 1:39 pm to anc
This is the only way to get a real reduction in illegals.
1. Make e-verify verify identity of SS number
2. Place draconian fined
1. Make e-verify verify identity of SS number
2. Place draconian fined
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