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re: Explain this Richard Grenell Tweet like I'm an adult.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:12 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:12 pm to GumboPot
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You act like Trump still receives Presidential Daily Briefings.
Well maybe he shouldn’t speak up since he isn’t in the know. But he did speak up and injected himself into the war and how to end it. That’s on him. He teased the world with peace when it needs it. It’s irresponsible of him to do that. What if he loses in 2024 and the war is still raging? Does he just move on like he said nothing and let the senseless deaths continue on? These are questions raised because he said what he said.
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:14 pm to VolcanicTiger
Libs actually think the American people give 2 shits if Trump says he’ll cut off funding and force a peace deal. Further, they believe Trump is scared to say it. That’s how thick the retard bubble is.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:24 pm to davyjones
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Surely you can more or less guess what Trump’s overall approach would be, based on what we’ve seen of him previously and know of him generally speaking.
He supposedly threatened to nuke Moscow during his presidency. He’s also taken more peaceful and less inflammatory routes. The truth is that we don’t know what he’s thinking.
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His specialty is negotiating deals as the means to an end. Clearly the game plan would be to “urge” the parties to the negotiating table. “Urge” can and does take on different meanings in different situations such as these, one of which being the use of pressure tactics applied to either or both sides, should it be determined that either or both are “playing games” or being intentionally unreasonable. “Force” parties to the negotiating table, and then “force” a compromised end. Usually if everyone goes away from a negotiation unhappy, that means a fair and reasonable compromise was struck.
Negotiating in this arena means that Ukraine cedes territory to Russia and a promise from Russia not to attack again. I don’t see how that is acceptable to Ukraine. Would you trust Russia to keep their word? There are also too many resources in the east that they’d lose as Russia gains them and I cannot see the US accepting this either.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:30 pm to Figgy
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Negotiating in this arena means that Ukraine cedes territory to Russia and a promise from Russia not to attack again. I don’t see how that is acceptable to Ukraine. Would you trust Russia to keep their word? There are also too many resources in the east that they’d lose as Russia gains them and I cannot see the US accepting this either.
I dont see where ukraine has much of a leg to stand on. A bandit is in your house with a gun to your head and you think you can negotiate to keep the TV and stereo and give him the toaster.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:32 pm to GumboPot
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Explain this Richard Grenell Tweet like I'm an adult.
Trump presented his peace plan during the “Perfect Phone Call”….Zeelenskeee made the decision to side with the US Bureaucratic State Skunks and now he’s expecting the US to pony up billions for keeping his yapper shut concerning US/Ukraine corruption.
This post was edited on 9/22/23 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:41 pm to Bass Tiger
There is an off ramp with trump. No money in that for zelensky. Zelensky has had 400,000 soldiers killed and another 400,000 injured and yet he goes after the only one calling for a peace settlement. Evil.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:45 pm to trinidadtiger
In the event Trump is sworn in President once again, in January of 2025, I can’t imagine him continuing on with the current program of funding to Ukraine, so something will have to give in that scenario. Ukraine will have no choice but to participate in negotiations, leaving behind any previous preconditions for even just coming to the table……and it occurs to me that Russia would be playing under those same “rules.” Would the outcome be absolutely and unequivocally “fair” to all parties once all’s said and done, probably not and probably never has been in the history of any and all such situations. But personally, I’m quite confident that a President Trump would go all out to ensure as reasonably “fair” an outcome that’s possible under the circumstances and relevant factors at that point in time.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:45 pm to texas tortilla
Ending the war is as easy as stopping the money to Ukraine.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:50 pm to trinidadtiger
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see where ukraine has much of a leg to stand on. A bandit is in your house with a gun to your head and you think you can negotiate to keep the TV and stereo and give him the toaster.
NATO armaments and their willingness to spill their own blood to reclaim their homeland is all that matters here. The Holodomor wasn’t that long ago. They have good reason to fight and die to kick Russia out. They’re slowly doing it. Kudos to them for doing it. They are losing a lot of men but this is their battle to fight for their future. I don’t blame them at all for fighting for every inch of land and asking for arms wherever they can get them. Anyone would if they found themselves in their shoes. If a negotiation happens you want to be negotiating from a position of strength. Killing Russians helps with that from the Ukrainian side of things.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:50 pm to bird35
Stopping the money flow would certainly curtail Ukraine’s abilities, but I think the President would need to (and I believe Trump would indeed want to) “incentivize” Putin and Russia to equally back away from the active war situation. And “incentivize” doesn’t necessarily have to carry a warm and fuzzy connotation…..might be necessary to get a bit more “stern” with that side.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:53 pm to reddy tiger
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Trump and his pattern of claiming simple solutions for complex problems, then never delivering
Oh, like the Abraham Accords, bringing Chyna to heel, no new wars, ending ISIS until the Uni-party stole the election, new trade deals with Mexico that benefits American workers and companies, pulling out of terrible climate deals that harm American workers, tax cuts that saw my retirement expand exponentially for 4 years which we also had more disposable income to spend to put back into the economy helping all workers, no war casualties in Afghanistan until Crooked Joe failed badly. I am sure there are more. He wasn't perfect. You are right. Name 1 president in your lifetime with a list like that while the entire MSM and DC Cabal was working against him.
Carry on.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:56 pm to reddy tiger
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This is comical. Trump is a classic “schoolyard bully on the outside/soft punk bitch on the inside”. He might as well have sucked Putin’s dick in Helsinki. He looked like Reek.
Weird how Putin didn’t invade any of his neighbors on Trump’s watch.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:32 pm to GumboPot
That’s a trap, dealing with foreign policy even for a ex president is against the law and they would like to go after them. Clinton’s & Kerry did it but not one cockroach enforced the statute
Posted on 9/22/23 at 7:12 pm to Fun Bunch
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It’s essentially a frick off to Trump. Trump is making the claim he would end it day 1 and everyone knows that’s total bullshite.
So he’s asking “how?” Because he knows it’s a lie.
Ok. So why isnt he asking Biden about a peace plan?
Posted on 9/22/23 at 7:20 pm to lsuguy84
Posted on 9/22/23 at 7:32 pm to boosiebadazz
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Biden’s peace plan
What plan?
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:01 pm to boosiebadazz
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Zelensky thinks Trump’s does and wants him to state it publicly.
The real problem being that this clownish puppet thinks he is calling the shots in our elections.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:39 pm to GumboPot
Zelensky is mocking the shite out of Trump for his asinine claims about the war.
This post was edited on 9/22/23 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 9/22/23 at 8:42 pm to lsuguy84
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lsuguy84
When I am dead and gone, I would like my creation of that gif to be my legacy.
Posted on 9/22/23 at 9:45 pm to VoxDawg
trump has said repeatedly what his plan would be, he would cut off funding for ukraine and force them to the negotiating table.
the carrot for russia is not ukrainian land, it is ending the sanctions against them, ending the ukraine to nato narrative and end the nato vs russia proxy war in ukraine
basically ukraine and russia would be at the table but the negotiation would be between nato and putin
no way does trump force ukraine to the table and then try to strong arm ukraine to give up their land, that is not a fair deal
trump is a salesman prone to hyperbole, but there is the compromise for both sides to go back to the way it was before biden took office
the problem as I see it is if trump pulled this off the war ends but BRICS with no russia sanctions could be disastrous for the us dollar and the G7
but the problems for the G7 are probably inevitable no matter what happens in ukraine
the carrot for russia is not ukrainian land, it is ending the sanctions against them, ending the ukraine to nato narrative and end the nato vs russia proxy war in ukraine
basically ukraine and russia would be at the table but the negotiation would be between nato and putin
no way does trump force ukraine to the table and then try to strong arm ukraine to give up their land, that is not a fair deal
trump is a salesman prone to hyperbole, but there is the compromise for both sides to go back to the way it was before biden took office
the problem as I see it is if trump pulled this off the war ends but BRICS with no russia sanctions could be disastrous for the us dollar and the G7
but the problems for the G7 are probably inevitable no matter what happens in ukraine
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