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re: Flaws with Republican Advice for Poor
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:45 am to volod
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:45 am to volod
Flawed premise is flawed.
Republicans don't loathe poor folks. They just don't celebrate, subsidize and try to create more of them as vote farms.
Being poor is hard. Being poor isn't noble. Being poor is just being poor. Generally, it is the cumulative result of bad decisions, but I agree that the starting line can hold some people back - for a period of time.
Upper middle class success is within the reach of every American at birth. The primary impediments to that are creations of the left - a safety hammock, as opposed to a net.
Republicans don't loathe poor folks. They just don't celebrate, subsidize and try to create more of them as vote farms.
Being poor is hard. Being poor isn't noble. Being poor is just being poor. Generally, it is the cumulative result of bad decisions, but I agree that the starting line can hold some people back - for a period of time.
Upper middle class success is within the reach of every American at birth. The primary impediments to that are creations of the left - a safety hammock, as opposed to a net.
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:47 am to the808bass
The problem by saying get married as an option isn't going to work. People in classes are marring people in the same class are at all time modern highs. This is not helping people in the lower class get out of poverty.
If anything it just shows the difference on how classes view each other.
If anything it just shows the difference on how classes view each other.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 11:57 am to MizzouBS
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People in classes are marring people in the same class are at all time modern highs. This is not helping people in the lower class get out of poverty.
You didn't read the link, did you?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:10 pm to the808bass
If you are in the upper middle class do you want your kids marring somebody from the bad part of town or a poverty stricken family?
I am from the county with the 2nd highest percentage of people in poverty in Missouri. It is over 97% white and there is big difference on how the classes treat each other.
In 150 years they have voted Democrat for president once. It's not about party, race, or education. In my opinion it is about how the classes interact.
No I didn't read the link
I am from the county with the 2nd highest percentage of people in poverty in Missouri. It is over 97% white and there is big difference on how the classes treat each other.
In 150 years they have voted Democrat for president once. It's not about party, race, or education. In my opinion it is about how the classes interact.
No I didn't read the link
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:12 pm to MizzouBS
You still haven't read the link. It's short.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:27 pm to volod
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Here’s an odd idea: liberal/socially progressive view-point holders and traditional/conservative view-point holders need to collaborate, negotiate, blend together (i.e. govern), to establish a budget, a plan of action, and a social program that does its best to balance. And rather than penalize the rich or poor, focus on creating more wealth, prosperity and general welfare (I simplify of course).
If you think there are poor people out there because of a lack of "programs" or opportunities then you have the wrong mindset. If you are able bodied, you have to make conscious decisions to be permanently poor in this country. Not everyone can/will be rich, but you suffer from your own decisions if you are long term poor.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:31 pm to volod
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I do not understand why so many of you loathe the poor
He says, after claiming he wants to have a mature discussion.
The fact is, nearly everything one can say in polite society about poors is based on untruths.
We never have meaningful truthful discussions about anything.
What I can say about the poor is that whatever causes poverty:
- we should help the poor
- we should never expect to be rid of poverty
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:36 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
quote:
Graduate High school (or GED) Work full time Don't have kids outside marriage
That's too tough. You're asking too much here. Where's your sense of humanity, man?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:39 pm to volod
I'm having a hard time understanding why telling anyone not to have children they can't afford to take care of is a bad idea.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:41 pm to the808bass
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Actual advice for the poor:
1) Graduate high school
2) Get a job
3) Don't commit a felony
4) Get married
5) Don't have a kid until you're married
All good advice. However, consider that some poor kids are growing up in households surrounded by constant violence and a lot of people that don't give a shite about them. Kids who try hard in high school get jumped. Parents are cracked out so don't ask them for help with homework. Oh and your house just got tagged with bullets from a bad drug deal on the corner. That's the reality.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:42 pm to volod
They left off the real 1. Get a fricking job
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:44 pm to BamaGradinTn
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I'm having a hard time understanding why telling anyone not to have children they can't afford to take care of is a bad idea.
It's not a bad idea. I'm in my 20s and I have no problems with dating. However, I still do not have kids because I do not feel that I am financially stable enough to do so with my current debts.
To be honest, part of the reason is that I am not ready for the responsibility of being a father. I want to be a good parent and not 'Deadbeat Dad' Stereotype.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:48 pm to BamaGradinTn
quote:
I'm having a hard time understanding why telling anyone not to have children they can't afford to take care of is a bad idea
It's just kind of pointless, especially when they don't HAVE to be able afford them, especially when they get rewarded financially for doing so.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:49 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
quote:
Graduate High school (or GED)
Work full time
Don't have kids outside marriage
It really is this simple but we're told it's all about 'white supremacy' and 'the 1%'
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:49 pm to cahoots
quote:the subculture of failure has to be abandoned. Some people are strong enough to do that, others aren't. The ones who are get branded as traitors. My wife's boss made it out of terrible conditions growing up inner city, no dad, addict mom, gang activity all around, etc.. He's now a successful financial advisor, nice family, wife and 2 kids, gonna be a millionaire by age 45 or so. And he's not like a super genius exceptional guy, just reasonably smart, hard worker, decided he didn't want to live like his family. The people he grew up with think he sold out
All good advice. However, consider that some poor kids are growing up in households surrounded by constant violence and a lot of people that don't give a shite about them. Kids who try hard in high school get jumped. Parents are cracked out so don't ask them for help with homework. Oh and your house just got tagged with bullets from a bad drug deal on the corner. That's the reality.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:50 pm to volod
My advice to the poors:
Get your fricking arse to work or be processed into food for other poors.
Get your fricking arse to work or be processed into food for other poors.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:51 pm to cahoots
quote:
All good advice. However, consider that some poor kids are growing up in households surrounded by constant violence and a lot of people that don't give a shite about them. Kids who try hard in high school get jumped. Parents are cracked out so don't ask them for help with homework. Oh and your house just got tagged with bullets from a bad drug deal on the corner. That's the reality.
No one said it was going to be easy for the poor to escape poverty. They will be required to participate in their own success. Some want to get out, but can't make it due to any number of issues.
But the one thing it isn't is complicated. It may not be easy. But it isn't fricking complicated.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:56 pm to volod
quote:
(2) Don’t have children.
this is great advice. Who advocates for reprodcutive freedom? It is definitely not the republicans!
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:57 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:don't have children you can't afford. Why is that controversial?
quote:
(2) Don’t have children.
this is great advice. Who advocates for reprodcutive freedom? It is definitely not the republicans!
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:58 pm to Vols&Shaft83
I will help / advise the "poors" whom I know and with whom I have some relationship in focused ways based upon my knowledge of their eituation.
My statement to "poors" (that I do not know):
There are 330 million people I do not know in this country. I don't think about them very much at all. You are one of them.
My statement to "poors" (that I do not know):
There are 330 million people I do not know in this country. I don't think about them very much at all. You are one of them.
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