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re: Former CBO Director: Trump’s tax plan is built on a fairy tale

Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:56 pm to
Posted by gthog61
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:56 pm to
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Do you actually think these proposed cuts would actually result in a net positive in terms of federal revenue?



Yes

Static analysis is dumb as shite
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:57 pm to
How could he know that when no details have been released?
Posted by dr smartass phd
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:58 pm to
The last two major income tax rate reductions were in the 1960s and 1980s. Here are the results of those cuts and their effect on revenue collection.

Federal revenue in 1960 = $92.5
Federal revenue in 1968 = $153.0
Over a 50% increase in revenue!

Federal revenue in 1980 = $517.5
Federal revenue in 1989 = $909.0
Over a 70% increase in revenue!

So the facts show that cutting taxes in the 60's and 80's increased federal tax revenue.

Now you know the truth.
Posted by CaptChandler
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 7:59 pm to
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They are the best political paper on the planet.


This is gold. Further proof that you are uninformed and biased beyond hope.


Posted by a want
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:02 pm to
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So the facts show that cutting taxes in the 60's and 80's increased federal tax revenue.

More recent examples (Bush tax cuts and Kansas) don't.

Yes, sometimes cutting taxes increases revenue. Sometimes it doesn't. It's not guaranteed to do so.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 8:05 pm
Posted by a want
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:03 pm to
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This is gold. Further proof that you are uninformed and biased beyond hope.

Please share your goto source for politics.
Posted by a want
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:04 pm to
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Not editorial-wise.

Agree. I like NYT editorial section better. By a lot.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 8:05 pm
Posted by funnystuff
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:04 pm to
Can you provide a link to that excerpt? The Washington Post article seems to suggest that dynamic scoring was used, not static. Static models have grown significantly less popular, particularly since the rise of DSGE macro modeling. So I have a very difficult time believing that the CBO's primary model would be a static one. Though I guess they are the government, so lagging behind the times wouldn't be a huge surprise.

In either case, please link. Thanks
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 8:08 pm
Posted by jorconalx
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:05 pm to
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Has the CBO ever been correct?


About as often as a want's copy and pasting arse
Posted by AU86
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:05 pm to
Posted by Haughton99
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:06 pm to
Why ignore that there were a few major tax increases passed after 1980 because the initial cut ballooned the deficit.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:06 pm to
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So you don't care about the national debt or budget deficit?

See Trump's latest budget. He didn't cut spending. So that pretty much just leaves revenue.



Its not even like this is all that hard. Its intermediate math and historical evidence.

If you don't add much new revenue, less then is taken away in tax cuts, while cutting trillions in the form of tax cuts, the deficit will be negative, the debt will rise.

Growth can offset some of that, but you are talking about a big jump in growth to achieve that.

Making it worse Trump wants to increase defense spending and build a wall.

quote:

While well-designed tax cuts can promote economic growth that leads to more revenue, there is no realistic scenario that this “dynamic revenue” will be as large as the initial tax cut. In order for a tax cut to pay for itself, it would need to grow the economy about $4 to $6 for every dollar of revenue loss. There is no historical case of a tax cut achieving this goal.


LINK

I'm all for tax reform, it is sorely needed, but just cutting taxes and creating a much more unstable system is just reckless governance.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:10 pm to
Obama increased the National Debt by nearly $10 trillion, and NOW these dickheads act like they care about debt?

This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 8:12 pm
Posted by a want
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:16 pm to
Is your argument Obama did it so it's ok? Because I've heard from several trump supporters that Obama is the worst ever....so are you going for a tie?

Also, Obamas deficits were lower than W's. FYI.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:17 pm to
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Can you provide a link to that excerpt? The Washington Post article clearly states that dynamic scoring was used, not static. Static models have grown significantly less popular, particularly since the rise of DSGE macro modeling. So I have a very difficult time believing that the CBO's primary model would be a static one. Though I guess they are the government, so lagging behind the times wouldn't be a huge surprise.


Just in general it is pretty well established that tax cuts do tend to drive growth, but not enough to offset huge cuts.

It sounds like they are pre-empting the criticism they know is coming and nothing more.

Mnuchin thinks we are going to operate an average of 3-4% growth each year.
LINK

According to the Committee for a Responsible Budget, The economy will need to produce sustained 4.5% growth for ten years to pay for this. Something this country hasn't achieved since the 60's.

LINK

Posted by swamie
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:17 pm to
Why do you now care about the national debt?
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:18 pm to
No.

Because they honestly have no idea how this plan will work in the end. Every expert runs their statistical models and just knows it won't work, when they haven't been correct. Ever.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:19 pm to
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Also, Obamas deficits were lower than W's. FYI.


Obama's lowest deficit was still nearly 50 billion dollars higher than W's highest.
Posted by Pinecone Repair
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:21 pm to
The former director of the CBO!?!? THE CBO!?!?
Woah.

They are always really accurate.
He must be right!

Wtf? I loooooove giving the gov my money now!
Posted by Crow Pie
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 8:21 pm to
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So you don't care about the national debt or budget deficit?
Obama racked up 10,000,000,000,000.00 in debt and NOW you worried about a plan to grow the economy???
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