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re: Fulton County Elections Strike Again
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:44 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:44 pm to Pettifogger
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In other words, "no we don't want to punish you, but yes if you don't vote Perdue and we don't get our way with our Trump-endorsed candidate, we're going to fight hard to make sure you're stuck with Stacy."
I think it means that there is no reward for allowing the elction issues and doing nothing to punish those who broke the law. did nothing to help the investigation. Laid low as to stay out of it.
Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
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You're playing with someone else's money out of loyalty to Trump. If that means Georgia families have to take it on the chin for Trump's vindication - you're fine with it. In fact, per the above, you'll work to ensure it.
You are again lying. What happened in Ga has harmed all of America. Every where, the extreme left now knows it can do whatever and nothing happen.
This is like demanding I have to live with a president like Mitt Romney. I will not. I will not vote for him. Period.
That led to a Trump type candidate because we were sick of seeing ROMNEYs and BUSH people screw the base.
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Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:46 pm to Pettifogger
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In other words, "no we don't want to punish you, but yes if you don't vote Perdue and we don't get our way with our Trump-endorsed candidate, we're going to fight hard to make sure you're stuck with Stacy."
You are going to blame people on the outside for your candidate not being able to get enough votes?
You are going to blame voters that have told you up front that they will never support Kemp for not supporting Kemp?
Your issue is that you refuse to accept that you do not own other people's votes. You place way too much value in the political party. You better hope that Kemp has a way of manipulating the general election and stealing it from fatso.
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You and JJDoc can dress up your loyalties however you want. But the point remains. You're playing with someone else's money out of loyalty to Trump. If that means Georgia families have to take it on the chin for Trump's vindication - you're fine with it. In fact, per the above, you'll work to ensure it.
Bro, I have literally zero impact on Georgia elections. Zero. Not only am I not playing with others money, I'm not even playing. This is your failure. I'm reading the landscape. I'm trying to warn you (in between reminding myself that we simply aren't aligned). Whether I dance on your grave, or pray for you to not end up with Abrams has zero bearing on what I'm saying.
I will tell you that you are partially correct. If Georgia doesn't do it's duty by ensuring fair and transparent elections...I cannot support those candidates even if it ends up destroying good people like yourself.
Frankly, by not fighting for fair elections, you are closer to the enemy than you are to an ally.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:47 pm to Jjdoc
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He is lying. And he knows it.
I haven't lied a single time in this thread. There are things I don't know - for example, I don't know how much of the election fraud you and moneyg claim happened really happened (I have less sexy views about how the election was likely stolen). I genuinely do not know.
I don't know what Kemp could or should have done as a result. I don't know whether Kemp will win, I don't know for certain Perdue wouldn't.
I don't know if you and moneyg are as obsessed and loyal to Trump above all things as I claim, but I think you are.
Anyway, there is a lot I don't know, but I haven't lied. On the CRT/trans stuff, I'm not only not lying but I am quite confident and I think your position is an outlier. Trump has no ability or interest in making any substantive case on these issues. People who worked in the administration (1776?) - Sure. But he's not a leader on these cultural issues whether he throws out some tweets or not. Trump couldn't define CRT if pressed, which I don't think is the case with DeSantis (who has probably actually read some CRT texts).
And that's not even a real insult to Trump, it's just an example of why I don't think Trump is the guy for the moment. Trump is a 30,000 feet guy, a process guy. I just think he's reached the extent of his usefulness.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:49 pm to td01241
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So because we don’t want to torpedo our homes by taking an insane gamble at installing an insane person as gov, which absolutely will have national implications at a national level
So did the election of 2020 and the run off where ballot trafficking took place to secure the out come.
Who was Gov then? Who was warned that allowing the relaxation and ballot boxes would result in the exact out come? That's right Kemp.
Who does the AG report to? What branch is the AG under?
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:50 pm to BaldEagleHey
Call your secretary of state.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:53 pm to Pettifogger
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Who do you think are the people who voted for Trump 2x, will vote for Hice and are still voting for Kemp, exactly?
Hice is 100% election integrity. Why are you pretending that he aligns with Kemp?
Let's pretend that the group you refer to is 50% GOPe and 50% MAGA. Kemp loses. This is simple math. And, your entire analysis is ignoring it and instead assuming that people are so scared of Abrams that they will vote against her. But, because you don't believe in voter fraud, you simply don't understand the power that disenfranchisement has. Those whose primary concern is voter integrity WILL NOT VOTE for Kemp.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:54 pm to td01241
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I would’ve liked to see Kemp take a different route on that issue as well. At the end of the day it’ll be for nought though.
No.. He had the opportunity to do the right thing. He did not.
It's a unforgivable offense. This is not a disagreement over a % in taxes.
It's election laws broken and a "I don't care... I'm still governor and the people will have no other option but me"
He knows what you will do because you are too scared to do anything other than vote for him.
It goes back to what you nor Petti will answer:
1- Either the office has the power of it does not. Which is it? If it does not, then Stacey or the threat of Stacey is not an issue because the State Legislature will hold her in check.
2- If it does has the power that you fear... Why did Kemp ignore the 2020 election and the runoff?
You can not have it both ways.
But expect nothing to change if you are not willing to go through the pain to change it.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:56 pm to moneyg
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Hice is 100% election integrity. Why are you pretending that he aligns with Kemp?
I didn't say anything of the sort. I'm simply telling you plenty of people hate Brad but are fine with Kemp and the results are likely to show that.
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Let's pretend that the group you refer to is 50% GOPe and 50% MAGA. Kemp loses. This is simple math. And, your entire analysis is ignoring it and instead assuming that people are so scared of Abrams that they will vote against her. But, because you don't believe in voter fraud, you simply don't understand the power that disenfranchisement has. Those whose primary concern is voter integrity WILL NOT VOTE for Kemp.
This is just round and round. You might be right. But you're essentially saying that there is a sliver of the state that won't vote for Kemp no matter what because they're convinced of their election integrity position. In other words, we're all beholden to them and their view, so do what they want or else. I get your position. I disagree with it, the validity of it, and I hope the prediction that accompanies it is wrong.
Not sure what else there is to say here.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:56 pm to Pettifogger
Trump still has a bunch of usefulness imo. If he were to win in 2024 it would be entirely dependent on who he surrounds himself with. You’re correct about him being a 30,000 feet guy which is completely fine for someone like him, if just makes him much more dependent on the counselors around him opening up the possibilities of certain things being derailed as we saw in his first administration when those around him are turncoats or just bad choices.
He will also have a more difficult road to the White House than someone like Desantis, but I’d be perfectly fine with him again as President. I love the guys quirkiness and willingness to battle, he just needs to remember his strengths and weaknesses and act and delicate accordingly to be at his most successful level.
He also has a ton of usefulness as a king maker from the top down the whole ballet. He’s actually been doing a great job is this area overall imo. My only critique for him here is a few times hitching himself to people that are just outright unlikely to be able to win.
He will also have a more difficult road to the White House than someone like Desantis, but I’d be perfectly fine with him again as President. I love the guys quirkiness and willingness to battle, he just needs to remember his strengths and weaknesses and act and delicate accordingly to be at his most successful level.
He also has a ton of usefulness as a king maker from the top down the whole ballet. He’s actually been doing a great job is this area overall imo. My only critique for him here is a few times hitching himself to people that are just outright unlikely to be able to win.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:58 pm to Pettifogger
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But I'm also not interested in burning what does exist down
But you are. You are rewarding out right election fraud. You are rewarding inaction on the ONE single thing that ALLOWS the USA citizen the ability to enact change.
That is burning it down.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 12:59 pm to td01241
Well, to be clear Trump is useful even as a stop gap and even as a "screw you" to elites/media who loathe him.
I'd be fine with another Trump term, as flawed as I think he is. But do I think Trump will advance the conversations being had now on the right and which I think are really drawing the cultural war to a head? Not really. I think it'll be memes and trolling and distractions.
But, I caveat all of this with my general negativity, which is that you can't save a country without core values and 350m people pulling in different directions, so it's not like I think DeSantis winning over Trump is going to save America in the long term.
I'd be fine with another Trump term, as flawed as I think he is. But do I think Trump will advance the conversations being had now on the right and which I think are really drawing the cultural war to a head? Not really. I think it'll be memes and trolling and distractions.
But, I caveat all of this with my general negativity, which is that you can't save a country without core values and 350m people pulling in different directions, so it's not like I think DeSantis winning over Trump is going to save America in the long term.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:00 pm to td01241
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So because we don’t want to torpedo our homes by taking an insane gamble at installing an insane person as gov, which absolutely will have national implications at a national level when she identity politics her fat arse into a presidential nom, we are a “different breed?”
No. You need to slow down and try harder to understand.
I'm saying the path you are taking leads to Abrams in the governor's mansion.
From my perspective (outsider), there's no difference between Abrams and Kemp as governor. Both result in zero election transparency and continued manipulation of federal elections.
If I'm right, then you are going to look back on this and truly, truly regret the path you took.
If I'm wrong then, as an outsider, it's a loss for me anyway because of the voter integrity issues mentioned.
But, I'd expect a 30% drop from the Republican numbers that come in during the primary(which are going to be crazy high) in the general. Compare that to the numbers Abrams got in the last election against Kemp and you'll be able to see where Kemp stands.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:01 pm to BaldEagleHey
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Fulton County Elections Strike Again
Kemp and his buddy Secretary
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:03 pm to LuckyTiger
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voted in Fulton County for many years on the Westside.
Is Florida a nice place to live?
Recommendation?
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:04 pm to dafif
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The tv stations would have hounded you which would give you the best opportunity to explain all the fraud and watch them melt.
...and also given a chance to plug TD. You can't buy that sort of publicity
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:04 pm to UAinSOUTHAL
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You sure it didn’t change with redistricting?
Yes. 100% sure.
Myvoterpage.org shows us in the 6th as do all the redistricting maps.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:05 pm to Pettifogger
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I haven't lied a single time in this thread
You have and where I have stated "you are lying" is on direct quotes.... which were lies.
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There are things I don't know - for example, I don't know how much of the election fraud you and moneyg claim happened really happened (I have less sexy views about how the election was likely stolen). I genuinely do not know.
Maybe care more?
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I don't know what Kemp could or should have done as a result.
Cop out Petti. He is over the Executive branch.
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. Trump has no ability or interest in making any substantive case on these issues.
He has and I linked the last time you stated this to him going after it.
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People who worked in the administration (1776?) - Sure.
HAHA You are downing Trump for acting. That's twisted. So Trump doesn't care but acted.
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Trump couldn't define CRT if pressed, which I don't think is the case with DeSantis (who has probably actually read some CRT texts).
Educate yourself. Go watch his interviews. Speeches.... etc.
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And that's not even a real insult to Trump, it's just an example of why I don't think Trump is the guy for the moment. Trump is a 30,000 feet guy, a process guy. I just think he's reached the extent of his usefulness.
He wasn't the guy for the moment in 2016 either was he. Remember?
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:05 pm to Pettifogger
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Do I think we deserve it if we don't do what outside, Trump-first non-Georgians tell us to do without question?
You fricking moron. This outsider isn't telling you to do it because I told you to do it. He's telling you to do it because it's in your best interest. Evaluate that. Then make a decision. If you end up fricking yourself, you deserve it.
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I don't like GWB
Kemp called him out to campaign.
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I definitely don't like Chris Christie.
Kemp called him out to campaign.
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In my world, I'd live in a semi-theocratic state where people like you who are blood loyal to flawed non-christian politicians probably wouldn't elect to live (and I support your decision to look elsewhere). Abortion is criminalized in my world. My ideal state is inhospitable both to those who would ingratiate themselves to a largely substance-less personality-driven movement (MAGA-ism) or to wokeness or progressivism.
Bro, you are taking a path that leads you directly to the world you are trying to avoid. Never in history has a government resulted in the outcome you desire without the people having the power to elect who they want.
Putting your faith into the GOP to help deliver that ideal is humorously dumb.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:07 pm to BaldEagleHey
quote:When does an election become big enough to expect it be run correctly?
If this were the General Election, that would be pursued.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 1:09 pm to moneyg
Why do you think those numbers will drop? Because of something that’s discussed often on this board but most people don’t even know about? Again, for like the 5th time, Kemp is popular in GA. He doesn’t have much of a chance to lose. I live in the 2nd most blue area of GA, Savannah, and I know plenty of long time D voters who will vote for Kemp. More than anecdotes, the numbers and polling bear this out as well. Perdue might be able to beat Abrahams, but it’s a much lower chance of happening. If you’re this vested in the GA governor id suggest spending the following four years identifying and campaigning for someone you support that can actually win in this state. It’s very purple largely thanks to outside influx of people fleeing shitty states and Hollywood hitching an anchor here. Many middle or leftist that are sick of the modern Democratic Party I know are going to vote for Kemp because of how well he’s managed the actual affairs of the state.
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