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Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:21 am to
Posted by ZappBrannigan
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:21 am to
Catholicism came before all you splitters ruined things.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:33 am to
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People may think that's absurd


And they'd be correct...
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 12:35 am to
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Catholicism came before all you splitters ruined things.
Depends how you look at it. The Reformers viewed what they were doing as hitting the reset button and going back to the truth of the scriptures, prior to when the RC church started adding to it.

You ever study the first vatican council much?
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 5:39 am to
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a faith filled believer can believe what they want to believe and all your precious "scientific progress" can pound sand if a Christian, for example, doesn't care to buy into it so this notion that I or anyone else who is a believer has to accept anything we are told from the science community is hogwash.


Some people have issues with accepting scientific truths. This is known as ignorance. Of course, one is free to be as uneducated as one wants to be. Like you.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 5:41 am
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28203 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 6:03 am to
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applaud him for dragging Christianity kicking and screaming across the threshold of scientific progress.


Yea,its not like Copernicus was a cleric or anything like that...
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 6:33 am
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 6:58 am to
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Peter, here are the keys to heaven and what you bind on earth is bound in heaven and what you loosen on earth is loosened in heaven"
(Jesus Christ - the gospel - the new testament. )

I dont like this pope either but the roots of the papacy are very biblical


There's absolutely nothing in that passage giving Peter authorization as a "Pope" or suggesting that he had infallibility. Just because Catholics interpret it that way doesn't make it so. Paul, for example, disagreed vehemently with Peter. I'm not going to quote it...you're obviously capable of researching it yourself.

Do a little more research...and I'm not talking about Catholic texts. The Rock Jesus referred to was the confession itself, not Peter. Research the original translation. Peter and other apostles had authority as apostles, but you will find nowhere in Scripture any mention authorizing the transfer of this authority beyond the apostles.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 7:13 am
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:02 am to
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People may think that's absurd


And they'd be correct...


So the notion of a dead man coming back to life after three days and then ascending into heaven is absurd?

Give us a scientific explanation for that happening.

Because that's the whole point of Christianity. Unless one can accept that happened, there really isn't much point in debating the origin of the universe.

This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 7:16 am
Posted by Foch
Member since Feb 2015
804 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:16 am to
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The Reformers viewed what they were doing as hitting the reset button and going back to the truth of the scriptures, prior to when the RC church started adding to it.


The "reformers" opened the door for the very arguments being had in this thread now by totally rejecting two of the three pillars of the original, true Church.

Did the reformers foresee the moral relativism they would be responsible for? Did they not recognize that "truth" is external, and can be see in other places outside of scripture? Did they not see that their opinions would allow men to determine truth as it suited them, in the most convenient way, and when their opinions changed they could just start a new bible church?
Posted by AUveritas
Member since Aug 2013
3601 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:19 am to
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Considering he's the head of a faction of the church that compiled the Bible


fify
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:24 am to
The False Prophet.
Posted by AUveritas
Member since Aug 2013
3601 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:26 am to
Maybe you should do a little research yourself. Start with rabbinical teaching on binding and loosing.

Are you seriously contending that Jesus was referring to Peter's confession as "you"? That's some serious mental gymnastics.

And there is Scripture that makes it clear that the Apostles viewed their roles as offices to be refilled. Start with Acts 1 when Judas is replaced.

You are ascribing to yourself, in practice, the very authority you say is impossible for the Pope to have.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 7:27 am
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:28 am to
Watching Catholics try to get holier than thou to Protestants is really quite amazing.
Posted by AUveritas
Member since Aug 2013
3601 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:33 am to
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The Reformers viewed what they were doing as hitting the reset button and going back to the truth of the scriptures, prior to when the RC church started adding to it.


No they didn't or they would have thrown the whole Bible out, instead of just a few books they didn't like, since the Bible was compiled by the Catholic Church. Luther wanted to the freedom to "sin bravely" without fear of judgement so He created a God in his image. He was a feces eating (literally btw) anti-Semite that loathed the notion of personal responsibility. He wasn't some moralistic hero.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 7:37 am
Posted by AUveritas
Member since Aug 2013
3601 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:36 am to
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Watching Catholics try to get holier than thou to Protestants is really quite amazing.


So you respond by getting holier than thou to Catholics? Ironic much?
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:38 am to
No I hold no moral high ground in this battle mainly because I don't care in the end. I just think it the holier than thou rhetoric is ridiculous given the very unchristian practices of both sides over the course of history.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
60119 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:39 am to
To be fair, at the time the Catholic Church had fallen away from grace. Does that mean Purgatory doesn't exist? Obviously not.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
28958 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:43 am to
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Some people have issues with accepting scientific truths. This is known as ignorance. Of course, one is free to be as uneducated as one wants to be. Like you.


Where's the scientific truth in a dead man coming back to life after three days and then ascending into heaven?
Posted by AUveritas
Member since Aug 2013
3601 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:45 am to
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To be fair, at the time the Catholic Church had fallen away from grace.


I'm not sure what that means. The Church has had some evil leaders but I don't think any human has the authority to make that judgement. No Pope has ever set themselves up to be worshipped or denied the divinity of Christ, etc. Despite some of those elected Pope, God has obviously shielded the Church from falling into error regarding the matters of faith and dogma.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:02 am to
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Are you seriously contending that Jesus was referring to Peter's confession as "you"?


"Thou art Peter, and on this rock I will build my church." I'm talking about the different words for Peter and rock.

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And there is Scripture that makes it clear that the Apostles viewed their roles as offices to be refilled. Start with Acts 1 when Judas is replaced.


It does no such thing. I'm glad you reference Acts 1 because it thoroughly refutes your point. Verses 21-22 clearly state the requirement that any replacement
was required to have been with them from the time of Jesus' baptism until his ascension. The notion that the apostles were going to be replaced beyond that generation is completely contradictory to the very chapter you cited.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:03 am to
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So the notion of a dead man coming back to life after three days and then ascending into heaven is absurd?


Absolutely.

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Give us a scientific explanation for that happening.


You want a scientific explanation for something that didn't happen?

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