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re: Great point about the Covid Vaccine...
Posted on 9/18/23 at 8:50 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 9/18/23 at 8:50 am to NC_Tigah
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They lied.
Cool. They lied about it being a vaccine as well. At best it is a treatment that prevents more damaging symptoms in about 12% of the population. For that, they locked down an economy, trashed hundreds of thousands of small businesses, made kids wear face diapers for no reason, and closed National Parks.
And got away with it.
This post was edited on 9/18/23 at 8:51 am
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Posted on 9/18/23 at 9:03 am to OccamsStubble
quote:In concomitantly addressing vax and lockdowns, you're mixing metaphors. Without the vaccine, Dems would still have us locked down.
For that, they locked down an economy, trashed hundreds of thousands of small businesses
Posted on 9/18/23 at 9:06 am to NC_Tigah
Nope we’d have lost some old sick people, and the rest would would have actual immunity
Posted on 9/18/23 at 9:16 am to NC_Tigah
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As. Does. This. Vaccine.
... as long as the vax matches CV19 variants in circulation, it's quite effective.
The problem is by the time the boosters hit circulation, the targeted variants are no longer dominant, and effectiveness against dominant viral strains is often poor.
So then why were people getting Covid regardless of the variant?
If the gene therapy was so effective on a particular variant but was getting out to the public too late, then why are you ok forcing everyone to get a gene therapy for something that has already gone by?
If somebody has natural immunity for a variant why push to have them get gene therapy treatment?
Posted on 9/18/23 at 9:31 am to jp4lsu
quote:I'm not. What led you to believe otherwise?
why are you ok forcing everyone to get a gene therapy for something that has already gone by?
quote:Great question!
If somebody has natural immunity for a variant why push to have them get gene therapy treatment?
The answer is vaccines should NEVER have been pushed on folks with Natural Immunity. There is no medical justification for doing that.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 9:37 am to OccamsStubble
quote:Again you're mixing concepts of medical outcome and politics. I can assure you that sans vaccine, Dem enclaves (West Coast, Northeast at a minimum) would still be locked and masked.
Nope we’d have lost some old sick people, and the rest would would have actual immunity
Posted on 9/18/23 at 9:41 am to NC_Tigah
then you assume that
1) a very virulent illness would have gone through every area of the country (it would have)
2) everyone who survived would have gotten natural immunity (they would have)
3) the virus would have, in the face of near 100% natural immunity, continued to infect at a rate that politicians could have continued the tyrannical silliness (it wouldn't have)
1) a very virulent illness would have gone through every area of the country (it would have)
2) everyone who survived would have gotten natural immunity (they would have)
3) the virus would have, in the face of near 100% natural immunity, continued to infect at a rate that politicians could have continued the tyrannical silliness (it wouldn't have)
Posted on 9/18/23 at 9:52 am to OccamsStubble
quote:I had 6 friends die of Covid and only one was over 65. One was early 40s and looked like he could still be playing football. Three of them died before the vaccine was available. The oldest one refused the vaccine and he died in summer of 2021.
Nope we’d have lost some old sick people, and the rest would would have actual immunity
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:06 am to Diamondawg
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The oldest one refused the vaccine and he died in summer of 2021.
News flash, the summer of 2021 was the Delta variant. There were no boosters designed to help with the Delta variant in the summer of 2021, so this person would not have been helped by the Alpha vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, JnJ). Hence why there were breakthrough cases across the board. Thanks for playing "follow the science" though.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:24 am to NC_Tigah
My apologies for assuming a pro-vax guy wanted to push it on to everybody. That has been the way it typically worked with Covid. If someone was pro-vax, it usually meant everyone should be "vax'd".
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:28 am to Tomatocantender
quote:Well that's not necessarily accurate either. The vax performance was suboptimal, but it still provided some immunity to the Delta variant. Statistically, severity of symptoms were reduced, as was the chance of hospitalization.
this person would not have been helped by the Alpha vaccines
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:52 am to NC_Tigah
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But it is a vaccine.
Are you not aware that the CDC literally had to change their own definition of “vaccine” in order to keep calling it a vaccine? It didn’t fit their own definition initially, so they just unilaterally changed the definition of the word vaccine so they could keep calling it a “vaccine “. That’s about as Orwellian as you can get.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 10:57 am to NC_Tigah
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but it still provided some immunity to the Delta variant.
That is a leap of faith. Why should anyone actually believe this? Because Fauci, Biden, Walensky et al said so? Your pro vax stance is starting to shine through, exactly as I claimed it would in the beginning of this thread. A leopard never changes its spots, I knew I could get you off that fence with a little push.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:04 am to MikeBRLA
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Are you not aware that the CDC literally had to change their own definition of “vaccine” in order to keep calling it a vaccine?
He's very well aware that the NIH changed the definition overnight just before Biden issued the OSHA/CMS unilateral mandates in Sept 2021. He plays dumb when you point out that the real definition of vaccine was "prevent" and that Fauci was able to scrub the definition in favor of "protection." I've pointed this out to him ad nauseum and it's like trying to get through a brick wall. He has an agenda and would always pop into threads with those crazy4lsu, lsupride87 posters and other vax nazis.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:12 am to BamaRidger
1. A vaccine for HIV is incredibly difficult because HIV infects the cells of the immune system.
2. You cannot vaccinate against cancer because there is not one form of cancer. There are different things that cause cancer. However, there is a vaccine that has reduced cervical cancer cases by 90%.
3. There is no single virus that causes the common cold. The common cold can be caused by infection with any one of 200+ viruses.
2. You cannot vaccinate against cancer because there is not one form of cancer. There are different things that cause cancer. However, there is a vaccine that has reduced cervical cancer cases by 90%.
3. There is no single virus that causes the common cold. The common cold can be caused by infection with any one of 200+ viruses.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:15 am to Diamondawg
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I had 6 friends die of Covid and only one was over 65. One was early 40s and looked like he could still be playing football. Three of them died before the vaccine was available. The oldest one refused the vaccine and he died in summer of 2021.
How many were treated with remdesivir, and denied antibiotics and antiinflamatory drugs?
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:23 am to WeeWee
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2. You cannot vaccinate against cancer because there is not one form of cancer.
In the future with the use of mRNA and DNA testing, you may be able to isolate and inoculate. But that's in a very specific setting for a very specific Cancer group, a far cry from the one-shot-fits-all Covid mRNA mandated vaccines that we experienced 2 years ago.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:32 am to LakeCharles
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antibiotics
One problem may be you think antibiotics have some effect on viral pathogens.
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:47 am to LakeCharles
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I had 6 friends die of Covid and only one was over 65. One was early 40s and looked like he could still be playing football. Three of them died before the vaccine was available. The oldest one refused the vaccine and he died in summer of 2021.
How many were treated with remdesivir, and denied antibiotics and antiinflamatory drugs?
Antibiotics for a viral infection?
Posted on 9/18/23 at 11:50 am to Tomatocantender
quote:No.
That is a leap of faith. Why should anyone actually believe this? Because Fauci, Biden, Walensky et al said so?
Because studies (there were a litany) confirmed a reduced but present effect.
Regarding my "faith" in Fauci, Walensky, and Potatobrain search my posts (if you haven't already) for my positions on those clowns.
Impact of the Delta variant on vaccine efficacy and response strategies
Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccines against the B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant
Effectiveness of mRNA-1273 against delta, mu, and other emerging variants of SARS-CoV-2: test negative case-control study
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