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re: How Finland built the best education system in the world
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:21 pm to seawolf06
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:21 pm to seawolf06
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This contradicts one of the most successful models in the USA, KIPP, which actually has longer than normal school days , Saturday classes and mandatory summer school lessons.
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kipp is for kids who are behind ... the kids aren't behind in finland ... they're at level from the start ...
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Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:22 pm to Bench McElroy
99% white 
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:30 pm to goldennugget
quote:I like how you guys get upset when Trump supporters are stereotyped as racist...Then someone posts this and gets 100 upvotes.
The entire nation mostly being one race cant hurt
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:34 pm to Tigerdev
quote:Agreed, but at the same time, you Leftists love to point at largely white homogenous societies and proclaim that social programs there are great and we should model our society after them.
I like how you guys get upset when Trump supporters are stereotyped as racist...Then someone posts this and gets 100 upvotes.
And let's not act like leftists don't do that.
You use these societies characteristics when they fit your purposes, yet claim it is racism to point out those characteristics.
It doesn't work that way.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:38 pm to Centinel
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Also helps when your entire country has half the population of NYC.
Are you saying that strong education goals are pointless bc of the size of our population?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:41 pm to goldennugget
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The entire nation mostly being one race cant hurt
Then wouldn't better education help that? Should we give up bc we live with brown people?
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:42 pm to Scruffy
quote:That is a ridiculous reach. What "characteristics" do you think are relevant? Please expound.
You use these societies characteristics when they fit your purposes, yet claim it is racism to point out those characteristics.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:47 pm to Ebbandflow
"Finland has the second lowest relative poverty rate for children in the world at 5.3 percent, according to UNICEF. In 2012, Finland also had one of Europe's lowest rates—5.5 percent—of people living below the poverty threshold (with a threshold at 50 percent of the national median income).
Countries with LOW POIVERTY RATES typically have great educational stats.
Public schools in the US who serve populations with low poverty rates have great educational success.
Most private schools in the US serve populations with a lower poverty rate than their populations at large.
In 1960 and before, US public schools did not serve many poor kids who simply dropped out of school early. Now most of those kids stay in school.
Before 1960, US public schools did not serve large populations of special needs kids and intellectually disadvantaged kids. Now US public schools do serve those kids and rightfully so.
If US public schools served a population with little poverty and few special needs kids, our stats would be among the world's best. But we have chosen to try to serve ALL KIDS and our academic achievement stats reflect that fact.
Countries with LOW POIVERTY RATES typically have great educational stats.
Public schools in the US who serve populations with low poverty rates have great educational success.
Most private schools in the US serve populations with a lower poverty rate than their populations at large.
In 1960 and before, US public schools did not serve many poor kids who simply dropped out of school early. Now most of those kids stay in school.
Before 1960, US public schools did not serve large populations of special needs kids and intellectually disadvantaged kids. Now US public schools do serve those kids and rightfully so.
If US public schools served a population with little poverty and few special needs kids, our stats would be among the world's best. But we have chosen to try to serve ALL KIDS and our academic achievement stats reflect that fact.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:48 pm to Tigerdev
quote:The heritage, history, and homogeneity of such places are greatly relevant to any discussion pertaining to their system of government and society as a whole. It goes along with the idea that certain cultures are far greater than others.
That is a ridiculous reach. What "characteristics" do you think are relevant? Please expound.
The fact that it is a homogenous society is a relevant characteristic.
If this was a statistical analysis of a data set, that is a variable that cannot be ignored if the results are to be correct.
Should you make all decisions with that singular characteristic in mind? No, but stop acting so self-righteous when a critical variable is pointed out.
You Leftists just try to ignore that variable when you are using it as an example.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:52 pm to Antonio Moss
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There is no lack of finances in the U.S. public education system.
Cant tell if you're being serious
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:56 pm to Scruffy
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You Leftists
quote:You seem to be skirting around the real characteristic you are concerned with. Just come out and say it already ffs.
The heritage, history, and homogeneity of such places are greatly relevant to any discussion pertaining to their system of government and society as a whole. It goes along with the idea that certain cultures are far greater than others.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:57 pm to Ebbandflow
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We spend more money per student than any other country in the world. I hate hearing teachers and politicians bitch about how they need more money.
We spend more money per student than any other country in the world. I hate hearing teachers and politicians bitch about how they need more money.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 3:57 pm to Tigerdev
if you have an entire population of similar character, and that character reflects a value for education, you're going to have a population score well on the testing of educational gains
if youhave a diverse population with varying cultures that value education differently, you're going to have massive gaps in the scores of those respective groups. that is America (more than any other country)
if youhave a diverse population with varying cultures that value education differently, you're going to have massive gaps in the scores of those respective groups. that is America (more than any other country)
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:04 pm to Tigerdev
You are a leftist. Don't skirt the issue. You sure as hell aren't a liberal. Liberals value liberty.
Same goes for South Korea, Japan, and most of the other top educationally ranked. This isn't just a "whites only" characteristic.
These largely homogenous nations share cultural similarities.
You are just ate up about race at all times.
quote:That homogeneity is an important characteristic that you seem to reject?
You seem to be skirting around the real characteristic you are concerned with. Just come out and say it already ffs.
Same goes for South Korea, Japan, and most of the other top educationally ranked. This isn't just a "whites only" characteristic.
These largely homogenous nations share cultural similarities.
You are just ate up about race at all times.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
There is a lot more to it than that. Finland's entire approach to education as a society is different than ours. Their teachers are frankly in a different class of society than ours in terms of expectations and respect. Here is one quote from a Finnish educator on the subject:
"When we compare teachers to other professions in society, we compare them to lawyers or doctors or architects," he said. "Not as here [in the United States], where they are compared to nurses or therapists, or something like that, that require lower academic training."
It is very convenient for you to attempt your thinly veiled "minorities bring the scores down" excuse. Their education system is superior to ours in many many ways. Their APPROACH to education is different than ours.
Here is more:
It doesn't surprise me to see you fine folks rushing to blame "others" for the failures of our society.
Here is a dose of reality: Their schools have better curriculum and their teachers are far more qualified. Excuses and subtle race blaming is pathetic and laughable.
"When we compare teachers to other professions in society, we compare them to lawyers or doctors or architects," he said. "Not as here [in the United States], where they are compared to nurses or therapists, or something like that, that require lower academic training."
It is very convenient for you to attempt your thinly veiled "minorities bring the scores down" excuse. Their education system is superior to ours in many many ways. Their APPROACH to education is different than ours.
Here is more:
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Teachers in Finland are required to obtain a three-year master's degree, state-funded, before teaching. These education positions are highly coveted, Sahlberg said. For example, only one in 10 primary-school teacher applicants are accepted.
It doesn't surprise me to see you fine folks rushing to blame "others" for the failures of our society.
Here is a dose of reality: Their schools have better curriculum and their teachers are far more qualified. Excuses and subtle race blaming is pathetic and laughable.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:05 pm to Scruffy
Read my reply to sloflo. You clearly have no idea why their system is superior. Your subtle race blaming is the easy way out. They have a different approach and it is BETTER.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:06 pm to Tigerdev
It isn't race blaming. It is culture blaming.
You can't comprehend the difference between the two apparently.
Plus, many minorities in our country bring the scores up while many whites bring it down. It isn't race.
It is culture.
You can't comprehend the difference between the two apparently.
quote:Their education system is vastly better. On that we agree, but it isn't the only characteristic.
It is very convenient for you to attempt your thinly veiled "minorities bring the scores down" excuse. Their education system is superior to ours in many many ways. Their APPROACH to education is different than ours.
Plus, many minorities in our country bring the scores up while many whites bring it down. It isn't race.
It is culture.
This post was edited on 2/6/17 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:06 pm to Scruffy
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You are just ate up about race at all times.
He and BamaAtl are absolutely race obsessed and defensive.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:09 pm to Scruffy
I gave evidence that their system is superior due to investment and better teachers. You are ignoring that in favor of your low-rent "culture blaming". You have no idea what you are talking about clearly. Do 5 minutes of research at least before talking bullshite at least! C'mon people. Damn.
Posted on 2/6/17 at 4:09 pm to Tigerdev
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It is very convenient for you to attempt your thinly veiled "minorities bring the scores down" excuse.
i never said that. plenty of lower class white people who have the same cultural issues who drag down everything
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Their APPROACH to education is different than ours.
and they'are allowed to try that b/c of the cultural homogeneity and smaller population
that type of system would never fly here as a national policy. we're too diverse with areas of differing cultures and needs. that system could work in certain areas, but we don't allow localities to create their own educational systems anymore b/c the feds have basically taken over curricula
these stories are cool and interesting, but they have no real part in a discussion about American education
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It doesn't surprise me to see you fine folks rushing to blame "others" for the failures of our society.
you mean say the bad decision makers have lower than optimum results?
why is that such a shocking result?
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