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re: If Abortion isn't murder then why do people get charged with murder/manslaughter when they
Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:03 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:03 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Feel free to lay it out in support of your position.
New unique DNA at conception. Left unhindered that life continues to grow. Stage of life doesn’t make a human less of a human.
Really simple. Now let’s hear your case against this. Try not to use the same arguments slave owners have used in the past.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 10:34 pm
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:38 pm to Tiger BTT
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If Abortion isn't murder then why do people get charged with murder/manslaughter when they
Easy...in the eyes of the twisted law, personhood is conveyed in this case on whether the baby was wanted or not...
Posted on 11/21/23 at 10:41 pm to Tiger BTT
Do they though, in blue allowed abortion states? Or is it a separate type of charge specific to terminating somebody's fetus against their will, similar to if you shot their dog or blew their car up?
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:46 am to Bass Tiger
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The way the law seems to read
That's your interpretation of it, sure.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 6:49 am to RebelExpress38
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New unique DNA at conception.
Unless it isn't?
Science and all that.
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Try not to use the same arguments slave owners have used in the past.
The biggest problem with this point for you, is that you wouldn't have been an abolitionist.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 7:44 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Unless it isn't? Science and all that.
Can’t wait for you to explain this. Noticed in this entire thread you’ve explained nothing.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:00 am to RebelExpress38
So...you think every zygote has unique DNA?
And you're going to lecture anyone about Muh Science...
And you're going to lecture anyone about Muh Science...
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:35 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Ok please explain scientifically how the fusion of human sperm and egg into a new zygote doesn’t produce new DNA in a new single cell.
This will be groundbreaking since it goes against all established embryology and biology. Very excited to hear your explanation. Still haven’t gotten a single explanation from you in this entire thread.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:47 am to RebelExpress38
You have no idea how to follow a conversation, do you?
Here...
Just say yes or no. That will tell me everything I need to know.
Here...
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So...you think every zygote has unique DNA?
Just say yes or no. That will tell me everything I need to know.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:55 am to Indefatigable
quote:For some reason, these people expect internal consistency in a legal code drafted by different people, at different times, with different motivations and agendas.quote:Ok. The people of whatever state your hypo takes place in, via their elected representatives, made it so that abortion isn’t murder. That is why it’s not murder. Murder is what the law of whatever jurisdiction says it is.
Make it make sense.
It really is that simple.
Fascinating.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 8:58 am to Bass Tiger
quote:Except for the fact that he said nothing of the sort. That is just the "spin" that your compatriots put on his real words.
I do remember some governor, could have been the VA governor before Youngkin who was on tape saying it should be legal to abort a child up to and including birth
He was talking about NOT undertaking heroic efforts to briefly extend the life of an infant born with some fatal defect, but instead providing palliative care and allowing the (doomed) child to die in peace.
And the idiots turned that into "post-birth abortion."
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:02 am to Azkiger
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don't think they do in prochoice states.
Generally those laws are pushed in place by prolife groups.
Not all (38 states) but many do...even in places like California.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:03 am to Bass Tiger
quote:Only if you think that the policy considerations at issue are the same. They are not.
men who want the child aborted shouldn't be legally required to provide for those children.....this has to at least make sense,
The policy consideration in the latter case is that the State (every single state that has addressed the issue, BTW) wants to be sure that both parents of a born child are obligated to contribute to the care of that child ... largely so that the STATE is not stuck paying the bill instead.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:10 am to Bass Tiger
quote:I've not reviewed the Oregon law specifically, but EVERY abortion law other than "absolute prohibition" draws SOME arbitrary "line" before which abortion is legal and after which it is not ... even the precious "heartbeat laws."
current Oregon abortion regulations. ......
The way the law seems to read is a child could be killed legally at 9 months while in the process of being birthed, in other words, the child is viable and full term.....but semantics. The child could be subject to lawful termination simply because of location.....30 minutes later and it's considered illegal? Seems pretty insane.
Sure, if you are correctly stating the law, the Oregon law seems awful, but not for the reason that you seem to cite ... arbitrariness.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:20 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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So...you think every zygote has unique DNA?
I’ll keep this really basic for you since you still haven’t provided a single response to anything I’ve asked you. Straight from a really easy to follow source, Wikipedia:
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A zygote /'za??go?t/ (from Ancient Greek ????t?? (zygotós) 'joined, yoked', from ?????? (zygoun) 'to join, to yoke')[1] is a eukaryotic cell formed by a fertilization event between two gametes. The zygote's genome is a combination of the DNA in each gamete, and contains all of the genetic information of a new individual organism.
You can try to reject science and spin it really hard and pretend this isn’t a new life at conception, but you’ll fail.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:33 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Good Lord, stop toying with him and just tell him.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:35 am
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:35 am to RebelExpress38
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Straight from a really easy to follow source, Wikipedia
This is why you don't have a fricking clue, my dude.
It's odd how reluctant you are to give a yes or no answer to this question:
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So...you think every zygote has unique DNA?
I'm wondering if you're smart enough to know why you shouldn't, or dumb enough to not know why you shouldn't.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:35 am to Antoninus
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And the idiots turned that into "post-birth abortion."
Idiots kill their unborn kids so they can live the carefree urban life.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:37 am to Antoninus
Maieutics is a hobby of mine.
Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:41 am to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:The Socratic method assumes that the student is bright enough to eventually see the answer.
Maieutics is a hobby of mine
He is dug-in so deeply that he is NEVER going to get it on his own.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:45 am
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