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re: If Confederate generals were traitors, so was George Washington
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:18 am to theGarnetWay
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:18 am to theGarnetWay
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I want you to tell me how the slaves would have defined tyranny.
They would probably define tyranny as the leader of their tribe rounding them up and selling them to white men from America.
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:18 am to Mo Jeaux
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It wasn't objectively immoral.
So then it was ok
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:19 am to Box Geauxrilla
quote:There's that part of it too.
They would probably define tyranny as the leader of their tribe rounding them up and selling them to white men from America.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:19 am to PrivatePublic
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....and winners write history.
Sure don't see much of that going on today, Jack.
History is being written as a narrative by people who are far from winners.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:20 am to lsudat10
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So then it was ok
From their perspective, yes. Slavery as an institution goes back much further than the Confederacy. Abolition as a universal ideal doesn't go back much further than the 18th century in Western Civilization.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:20 am to oleheat
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History is being written as a narrative by people who are far from winners.
And yet they're winning.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:21 am to tigerfan88
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Although I assume you’re more than ok with Japanese and German memorials celebrating the sacrifice of their WW2 vets?
I am. And such memorials exist both in Japan and in Germany.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:22 am to RollTide1987
Lucky we all already knew this from the rich history we absorb from statues
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:22 am to lsudat10
I think this conversation is a bit over your head. You're hung up on the slavery part. It begins and ends right there with you. This thread is about digging a bit deeper than that.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:22 am to RollTide1987
"We don't celebrate losers"
"We should give the land back to the Indians"
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:26 am to NfamousPanda
quote:Love seeing the excuses people come up with in response to this. The Confederacy fought to own slaves. Just own it.
One fought to liberate themselves from tyranny, the others fought to have the right to own other humans as property. Small difference there.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:27 am to RealityTiger
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I think this conversation is a bit over your head. You're hung up on the slavery part. It begins and ends right there with you. This thread is about digging a bit deeper than that.
That’s the problem. Ignore the parts that don’t fit the narrative.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:27 am to RollTide1987
Why do I care what Great Britain thinks about treason?
Treason against my own country by one of its citizens, particularly one who took an officer’s oath to that country, well, that’s just seems like a bigger deal to me.
Treason against my own country by one of its citizens, particularly one who took an officer’s oath to that country, well, that’s just seems like a bigger deal to me.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:28 am to JudgeHolden
quote:Because that's the whole point of this thread topic. Like I told the other guy, if you are unable to take it past face value then maybe the conversation is over your head.
Why do I care what Great Britain thinks about treason?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:31 am to jlovel7
quote:If you really believe that it's time to step away from the email fwds.
Unfortunately most Americans today despise George Washington along with most of our founding fathers
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:31 am to NfamousPanda
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One fought to liberate themselves from tyranny, the others fought to have the right to own other humans as property. Small difference there.
So crazy how we categorize the confederacy and the union. Slavery was a bi-product of the Civil War. In reality, there was no large difference in racial sentiment.
The Civil War was due to the inequities and repression created through direct exploitation from technologically advanced North. The North was sticking it to the South. I honestly think the North is just as responsible for slavery as the South.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:32 am to Mo Jeaux
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From their perspective, yes.
Oh, is that why they still salute Hitler statues in Germany??
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:33 am to theGarnetWay
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I just want to know if you would consider the Confederacy to be tyrannical.
Of course. You could argue that any authority entity that forcefully enforces that authority is somewhat tyrannical.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:33 am to lsudat10
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lsudat10
Posted on 7/24/20 at 11:35 am to lsudat10
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Oh, is that why they still salute Hitler statues in Germany??
What?
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