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re: Impressive support for Intelligent Design

Posted on 2/21/26 at 6:05 am to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 2/21/26 at 6:05 am to
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That the theory of evolution wishes to play it safe and run from beginnings is not a strength. It ignores the implication that there might be Someone outside this observed order, that manipulates, perturbates, and yes, even deludes observers.

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WAS: "evolution"
NOW: the theory of evolution


The educational system in the U.S. has failed a lot of you. Again you don’t understand what the theory of evolution says. Moreover, you don’t understand what a scientific theory is or what its function happens to be. Evolution is and always has been a scientific theory.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
45092 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 7:31 am to
For me, the massive fossil evidence can give each side ammo for their view.

'Wut 'massive' fossil evidence?'

For anyone who pays attention to such things, on the whole, there are a boatload of fossils out there. And the kicker is, they're not all jumbled randomly about, but can be found in pretty specific areas.

T. Rex - aforementioned, in the Western USA, Canada.
Archaeopteryx - So far, only in Germany have they been found.
Protoceratops - China and Mongolia.

That's not to mean they didn't have a larger range of territory in which they existed, but to date, certain species only have been preserved in one region of the planet.

Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/21/26 at 8:32 am to
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The question then becomes: does that claim generate testable predictions that differ from natural mechanisms? If not, it doesn’t function as an alternative explanation because it’s unfalsifiable.
And here is the problem. If God exists (I believe He does) and He has intervened in the natural world (I believe He has), then that is not something we can identify and comprehend scientifically. And yet it would still be true.

Science is limited to the natural world, which is why those who make science their god typically reject claims of supernaturalism. They also typically only function within the philosophical framework of materialism and the epistemological framework of empiricism.

At the end of the day, they potentially reject the truth (and I believe they actually do) because of the type of evidence they accept in their worldview.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
36346 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 8:36 am to
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He has intervened in the natural world

Who created it if God merely intervened?

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At the end of the day, they potentially reject the truth (and I believe they actually do) because of the type of evidence they accept in their worldview.

AKA: “My particular self-assured version of Calvinism is the only truth possible and the only view presented”
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46282 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 9:04 am to
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And yet we breath and eat through the same tube, allowing thousands of children to choke every year.

Cool design!
Its quite cool, actually. It is efficient.

The allowance for damage or destruction did not take away the greatness of the design. The epiglottis, for example, is a protective feature that blocks the airway when swallowing, preventing choking naturally, and it works extraordinarily well. We also have a cough reflex and vocal cords that fold when swallowing to help prevent choking.

There are a lot of great designs that have protective features built in that can still lead to destructive results due to outside factors. The lack of indestructibility is not a design flaw.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46282 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 9:12 am to
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Who created it if God merely intervened?
God created it and intervened many times after its creation.

I didn’t say He merely intervened in the natural world, as if He didn’t also create it. My point was that His intervention in creation is not something that is repeatable, testable, and falsifiable, so it is not “scientific”, and yet would still be true, nonetheless.

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AKA: “My particular self-assured version of Calvinism is the only truth possible and the only view presented”
I didn’t say that, but I will say that there are competing truth claims, and all claims cannot be true at the same time.
This post was edited on 2/21/26 at 9:14 am
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
36346 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 10:19 am to
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all claims cannot be true at the same time.
of course not, especially when all “truth” necessarily flows from a strict literal interpretation of Genesis, self-fulfilled by arbitrary “truths” that are in reality simply your beliefs.
Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
7591 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 10:24 am to
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I'm not sure how reliable someone's critical thinking abilities are if they still believe complex life was birthed from a single cell organism in a primordial soup somewhere on earth 4 billion years ago.

The Dunning-Kruger is strong in this one.
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