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re: Improving the Birth Rate
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:02 am to scottydoesntknow
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:02 am to scottydoesntknow
Incentivize staying married and disincentivize broken homes. Give an extra tax credit for every year married.
Fam of 4 making less than $300K pays no income tax.
Fam of 4 making less than $300K pays no income tax.
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:08 am to lake chuck fan
I honestly blame the women 100% on unplanned pregnancies. It's their body their choice. There are a million forms of birth control and contraceptives out there. And they are the ones that get the government support. Cut off that financial support, and I bet you would see a drastic drop in single mother "unplanned" pregnancies.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:11 am to Tmo Sabe
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Fam of 4 making less than $300K pays no income tax.
So subsidize this family and incentivize fraud. All government attempts to influence behavior with tax breaks results in fraud.
It's like none of you are conservatives and enjoy forcing other people to pay for someone else's choices.
Stop forcing people to pay for complete strangers.
No special tax carve outs, just pure tax breaks across the board.
Give people the freedom to choose and stop stealing their money and giving it to other people without allowing any say.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:11 am to scottydoesntknow
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Improving the Birth Rate
Would be one of the ways to fix Social Security.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:18 am to SallysHuman
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Society is comprised of families.
If you want a society, focusing on incentivizing healthy, wholesome families is a good thing.
The fault in this thinking is the belief that money alone creates wholesome families.
The only thing money handouts do is incentivize fraud to meet the conditions to recieve a handoht.
The welfare system is rife with this exact behavior.
Anyone suggesting cash giveaways or special tax breaks to encourage children is simply NOT a conservative on any level. You're just a different sort of leftist.
Expecting any government program to be successful at encouraging major behavioral changes, like incentivizing children birth, is in for a rude awakening.
Give people financial freedom, stop stealing tax dollars in a feeble attempt to encourage any particular behavior.
Give people the FREEDOM to choose by cutting taxes for everyone. Stop mandating tax theft from one group to fund the decisions of another group that you like. Stop.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:20 am to scottydoesntknow
Without working out all the details, it could work something like this. 1% off for being married, 3% off for being married over 10 years. 2% off for each child born during wedlock and nothing for children born outside of it.
The problem them become the off ramp. The marriage %s must remain and maybe even increase 1% for every ten years of marriage, but the kids will have to drop off at some point, 18 or 21yo or something.
Also, divorce laws must not favor women but honestly attempt to be what's best for the children.
Discount Percentages for divorced and remarried with children from the previous marriage wiould get more complicated.
The problem them become the off ramp. The marriage %s must remain and maybe even increase 1% for every ten years of marriage, but the kids will have to drop off at some point, 18 or 21yo or something.
Also, divorce laws must not favor women but honestly attempt to be what's best for the children.
Discount Percentages for divorced and remarried with children from the previous marriage wiould get more complicated.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:21 am to tiggerthetooth
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The fault in this thinking is the belief that money alone creates wholesome families.
No one said just money... but a shift in worldview that cherishes children and values families.
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You're just a different sort of leftist.
No, I'm not.
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Expecting any government program to be successful at encouraging major behavioral changes,
Bull hockey... government has been VERY successful at incentivizing or taxing along with PSAs for behavioral change.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:25 am to dafif
I worked for the State of Louisiana Office of Family Support years ago and let me tell you, lots of these “single mothers” actually do live with the fathers of their children. They just lie, lie lie and will have family members vouch for their lies. We were tasked to prove they were lying but even if we did, nothing was ever done about it.
Finally couldn’t take it anymore and had to find another job. More penalties and come down harder for fraud on both parents.
On another note, look at the kids people are putting out into the world. More and more parents just slap a phone or iPad in their face and don’t parent them. They have no social skills, don’t give a crap about school disrespectful etc.
I’m not too excited about more of this. My biggest concern is how to get QUALITY people into the world. Let’s face it, these are the ones that will be taking care of us in the future and that scares the shite out of me.
Finally couldn’t take it anymore and had to find another job. More penalties and come down harder for fraud on both parents.
On another note, look at the kids people are putting out into the world. More and more parents just slap a phone or iPad in their face and don’t parent them. They have no social skills, don’t give a crap about school disrespectful etc.
I’m not too excited about more of this. My biggest concern is how to get QUALITY people into the world. Let’s face it, these are the ones that will be taking care of us in the future and that scares the shite out of me.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:30 am to tiggerthetooth
I agree with cutting taxes across the board, it’s the only answer in my opinion that won’t entice a certain class or scheme within the system.
Make everyone’s cost of living come down drastically.
Make it fair across the board & affordable and let it play out. Along with reforming and clawing back all the anti-American and twisted policies that reshaped our fricked up society that has become these days.
But the tax laws are so screwed up.
I have as married for 14 years, 3 kids, unfortunately got divorced when kids were young, it sucks, but I go above and beyond to do what I’ve got to do to be a good father and provider.
We did the actual paperwork and divorce in December years back, and my dummy CPA at the time never advised me to Just wait until January to sign the actual divorce papers to make it official.
So that entire year where I paid my personal taxes as “married” then changed due to a matter of less than 2 weeks that I should have waited.
And come tax season 4 months later, he tells me, “yeah, sorry to say it, but you owe another $29,000”. I was shocked and confused as I always would get some money back, and then I find out it’s due to changing from married to divorced.
Which is screwed up in itself for a divorced dad that pays for 2 households and ex-wife doesn’t work. I’ve been getting hosed even worse ever since.
It makes no sense!
Make everyone’s cost of living come down drastically.
Make it fair across the board & affordable and let it play out. Along with reforming and clawing back all the anti-American and twisted policies that reshaped our fricked up society that has become these days.
But the tax laws are so screwed up.
I have as married for 14 years, 3 kids, unfortunately got divorced when kids were young, it sucks, but I go above and beyond to do what I’ve got to do to be a good father and provider.
We did the actual paperwork and divorce in December years back, and my dummy CPA at the time never advised me to Just wait until January to sign the actual divorce papers to make it official.
So that entire year where I paid my personal taxes as “married” then changed due to a matter of less than 2 weeks that I should have waited.
And come tax season 4 months later, he tells me, “yeah, sorry to say it, but you owe another $29,000”. I was shocked and confused as I always would get some money back, and then I find out it’s due to changing from married to divorced.
Which is screwed up in itself for a divorced dad that pays for 2 households and ex-wife doesn’t work. I’ve been getting hosed even worse ever since.
It makes no sense!
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:32 am to Deuces
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keep their legs closed
wait, we want more kids, right?
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:34 am to SallysHuman
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No one said just money... but a shift in worldview that cherishes children and values families.
Cash handouts and tax breaks are never going to do that. It's been tried elsewhere and failed completely. Seeing people as widgets to mold based on throwing money is very left wing...
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No, I'm not.
Yes you are. You advocate for top down enforcement of a value system. It will never work that way and never has....ask any communist...
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Bull hockey... government has been VERY successful at incentivizing or taxing along with PSAs for behavioral change.
At the expense of others. You want to point the government gun at the childless and unmarried, take their money, and give it to those with children.
You are a tyrant and you won't even get the outcome you want. You're a leftist who wants a top-down mandate.
You want to pick the winners and losers just like the left wants oil companies to lose and renewables to win.
You're the same. Top-down for both scenarios is exactly what left wing governance is predicated on.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:37 am to tiggerthetooth
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tiggerthetooth
Government, by its very nature is top-down.
Might as well be for the overall good of our society.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:37 am to scottydoesntknow
I think we are seeing a generational shift in the family mindset. My son wants 5 kids though I’m sure that number will decrease once he finds the right person and they have to pay for babies. 
His entire friend group feels the same way. All of them want large families.
His entire friend group feels the same way. All of them want large families.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:42 am to Yaboylsu63
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Nobody talks about it in the MSM but our young men’s testosterone levels have been plummeting.
Find ways to bring that back up and more sex happens.
Young men today are very reclusive and intimidated to approach women. Raise the test levels and that might happen.
Yes, but it's not just lower T rates that are causing this. By the time boys are 15-16 yo, they have been educated in this modern educational system that simply treats normal "boy behavior" as defective female behavior.
There are very few male role models in boys' lives in how to act and how to handle themselves. There are very few males in the educational system that will validate "normal boy behavior" as being 100% OK.
So, a lot of boys, even if they do not have "low T" simply live withdrawn lives to survive the bullshite that is thrown at them on a day-to-day basis.
That is something that might take generations to fix, if it gets fixed at all.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 10:45 am
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:42 am to SallysHuman
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Government, by its very nature is top-down.
It is now, but it was always meant to serve the people. It clearly no longer does that nor cares to. Our politicians act more like kings and queens than peers to the people they're supposed to represent.
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Might as well be for the overall good of our society.
You think you want this like every leftist wants to arrest right wingers for not flying a gay pride flag.
Like every leftist wants to tax churches or outright ban their existence because of their anti-LGBTQ stance.
Your top-down approach paves the way for tyrants to inflict everyone with their version of "utopia".
What's interesting is those at the top are rarely subject to the ebbs and flows of the highly disruptive nature to dictatorship governance (top-down).
The power is ALWAYS corrupting.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:42 am to scottydoesntknow
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What are yall's ideas?
Christian Nationalism.
"Be fruitful and multiply"
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:45 am to tiggerthetooth
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tiggerthetooth
Yeah, our government sucks.
Unless you're looking for a revolution, I'm okay with starting with it sucking less.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 10:51 am to SallysHuman
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Yeah, our government sucks.
Unless you're looking for a revolution, I'm okay with starting with it sucking less.
Wanting government to approach your favorite issues top down only creates the path for the next moron to inflict HIS/HER favorite issues top down.
The means MATTER....always.
The biggest problem in the US is the elite class, who despise the working class, attempting to sacrifice the working class to the revolutionary class to save themselves.
Every politicians in DC would gladly sacrifice working class families to maintain their power and position.
The revolutionary class is stupid enough to believe they're hitting the DC class when they're really crushing the working class
The DC class is a pit of vipers...and always will be...just stop giving them the power to act out their biggest fantasies of God hood. There's nothing they would love more than to successfully remove the working class which has the power to challenge them, and position themselves as both the financially (materially) powerful AND morally unquestionable.
To me - DEI is more or less a pseudo-religion created by and promoted by the top class to situate themselves into a high moral standing without being required to sacrifice anything.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 11:03 am to IT_Dawg
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Trump is suggesting a $5000 payment, not tax incentives....
I dont like this plan
Posted on 4/24/25 at 11:08 am to LSUGrrrl
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I think we are seeing a generational shift in the family mindset. My son wants 5 kids though I’m sure that number will decrease once he finds the right person and they have to pay for babies. His entire friend group feels the same way. All of them want large families.
A lot of young men want kids and a traditional family. There is a huge shortage of women that want this...until they are already too old to make it happen. Ive had frank talks with my 25 year old sister who has been brainwashed to believe that she has all the time in the world to find a husband have the family...when reality tells a different story.
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