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re: Inside Hitler's Killing Machine
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:28 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:28 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
And he never signed his name or created a paper trail linking him to the Final Solution or camps. His underlings did but Hitler did not. He was smart enough not to put his head in that noose. Hitler wasn't as crazy as some think. He tried to shield himself of any direct tie. Hitler conducted a secret meeting on December 12, 1941 with 50 other Nazis. Goebbels attended that meeting and recorded in his diary on December 13: “With respect of the Jewish Question, the Führer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that if they again brought about a world war, they would live to see their annihilation in it. That wasn’t just a catchword… If the German people have now again sacrificed 160,000 dead on the eastern front, then those responsible for this bloody conflict will have to pay with their lives.” There were no written documents that survived the Dec. 12 meeting. On Dec. 18, A German diplomat in his diary recorded: “as for the Jewish question, oral discussions have taken place [and] have brought about clarification.” The Wannsee Conference was held soon afterwards in January 1942.
Hitler outlined his stance and wishes orally in that secret meeting and it was left up to Himmler and Heindrich of the SS to organize the methods and cooperation among the different government agencies (Wannsee Conference).
Nazi Germany had governments within government. The SS being one of those agencies that operated and delved into and across many fields. Himmler had his own world setup that included munitions manufacture/slave labor, etc.
The different agencies knew what Hitler wanted and were given leeway into carrying those out along with the differnt methods used.
Hitler outlined his stance and wishes orally in that secret meeting and it was left up to Himmler and Heindrich of the SS to organize the methods and cooperation among the different government agencies (Wannsee Conference).
Nazi Germany had governments within government. The SS being one of those agencies that operated and delved into and across many fields. Himmler had his own world setup that included munitions manufacture/slave labor, etc.
The different agencies knew what Hitler wanted and were given leeway into carrying those out along with the differnt methods used.
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:28 pm to Liberator
I would argue that the Truth has been inverted in this graph. That the actual average lifespan is either mostly flat, or spiraling down over time. The documented history of my family going back to before 1700 shows them living to their 80s and 90s, with exceptions for wars etc.
This post was edited on 8/5/22 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:32 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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on the "experimenting" Japanese scientists did on Chinese
Even today many Japanese refuse to accept what they did in WWII….every August they want to show how cruel the United States was for dropping the bombs.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:33 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
Plausible deniability. Just like the Bidens.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:36 pm to TheRoar
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The documented history of my family going back to before 1700 shows them living to their 80s and 90s, with exceptions for wars etc.
Newborns and women in child birth dying skew the numbers bigly.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:41 pm to omegaman66
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Newborns and women in child birth dying skew the numbers bigly.
I think the advent of medicine and statistics is what skews the numbers. Medicine has not been as beneficial as we have been led to believe by our friendly neighborhood drug dealer with a scrip pad.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:49 pm to TheRoar
That is my point. You thirty! Then sometimes they shorten your life sometimes they extend it. Medical profession is full of money hungry doctors that don’t follow the science.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:57 pm to omegaman66
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How could one guy, (Hitler) motivate seemingly tens of thousands of soldiers to carry out such brutal atrocities,
From what I've read, the German people in general hated the Jews for the atrocities committed during the Weimer Government. I think the German people (for the most part) agreed with the final solution.
Posted on 8/5/22 at 4:19 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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Watching the documentary right now. They just dropped the line that Hitler never visited any concentration camp.
Do you guys buy that?
Yes.
And let's take it a step further. There has been historical speculation that Hitler didn't know what was going on in the concentration camps. Now I don't buy that but it is reasonably possible that he was fully shielded from that part of it.
Much in the same way that folks on this board buy into the notion of a deep state. Could there have been a "secret government" that controlled aspects of Hitler's Germany he was unaware of and could that have been factions of the SS? There were alot of secrets and darkness in Nazi politics.
I'm open to the possibility that Hitler was a charismatic figurehead of a political killing machine he didn't fully create and possibly didn't know the full extent of.
This post was edited on 8/5/22 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 8/5/22 at 4:30 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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Mengele I'll give you. Dude was a straight psychopath but himmler was a gutless little shite that didn't even have the stomach to witness the horrors he ordered. He was fine sitting behind a desk using a pen to sentence millions to horrific deaths but he couldn't watch it without puking. My favorite picture of him is the one taken right after he bit down on the cyanide
He looks pretty peaceful.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:18 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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How could one guy, (Hitler) motivate seemingly tens of thousands of soldiers to carry out such brutal atrocities
Germany was in bad shape after WWI, especially economically and its standing in the world. There was a lot of resentment over the Treaty of Versailles.
Hitler exploited the low public morale, and found an easy scapegoat in the Jewish population. He built a powerful tool
with the National Socialist German Workers' Party (the Nazis)
He was an effective speaker at large theatrically staged political rallies that worked crowds up into a nationalist group frenzy.
Hitler was also a meth head. Soldiers in the field were given regular doses of methamphetamines.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:46 pm to DarthRebel
quote:Or, he could have cut off immigration from all Muslim-majority countries, and deported all non-citizen Muslims residing in the US at the time. I’m guessing those actions would have been approved by 70% or more.
After 9/11 here, about every normal American would have supported genocidal warfare against muslims. If Bush had nuked Afghanistan off the map, he would have came out the other side still with over 50% approval.
But that’s crazy talk. Much more reasonable to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, losing thousands of American lives (and permanently maiming tens of thousands more) and spending trillions of dollars to accomplish virtually nothing.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:49 pm to Mo Jeaux
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This board and its hitlor obsession
Is it the fact that he was not two fat black lesbians, killing the nuclear family that upsets you. Or he didn't like jews, not every white person on the earth like blm?
I'm not defending hitler but yall support a group. Nazis-BLM, nazis hate jews, blm hates anyone not black, blacks that have conservative view points, men.
I am not stupid and know what was done then is infinitely worse than what blm has or is doing. But you're lying to yourself if you don't think Patrice colors or whatever her name is, wouldn't have every white person locked in a concentration camp if she could, while she milks millions our of your pocket to live in mansions and not do anything to support her "movement "
Posted on 8/6/22 at 3:50 pm to keltonAve
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There was a lot of resentment over the Treaty of Versailles.
Like him or not, Woodrow Wilson warned the Euros that it would come back to haunt them and it did.
Was Hitler a man of the times? Or was he in the right place at the right time? IDK
The Stock market crash of 1929 put millions of folks world-wide out of jobs including Germans. Millions of Germans were starving too, Hitler came along and gave them a 'way' out.
There is a theory that the US involvement in WWI was unwarranted. TBH, I could say one way of another.
I watched some docs on Hitler and he would practice for hours and hours practicing his speeches in front of mirrors until he felt he had it right.
Goebbels would coach him up on his speech deliveries.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:00 pm to Reubaltaich
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The Stock market crash of 1929 put millions of folks world-wide out of jobs including Germans. Millions of Germans were starving too, Hitler came along and gave them a 'way' out.
This should be a reminder of how quickly things can turn
IMO the tinder is set right now for something similar. The worlds economy is balancing on a knife edge and could just be the spark.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:06 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
I used to always ask myself that, “how did Hitler do what he did, how did he have that much supper to do what they did”?
And then 2020
Came along and answered all my questions.
And then 2020
Came along and answered all my questions.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 9:10 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
The elephant in the room is the Jews themselves. Hatred on that level isn’t born in a vaccum… When an entire continent hates you, the problem is likely you.
Posted on 8/6/22 at 11:10 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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How could one guy, (Hitler) motivate seemingly tens of thousands of soldiers to carry out such brutal atrocities, without carrying out more carnage than he actually did. I've heard a lot of conjecture on what the appeal to Hitler was, and how they painted the jews as an equivalent of a rat. That just doesn't click in my brain that he could convince that many people to do what they did.
Trying to understand why people agreed to commit genocide is something we'll never understand. I can't rationally wrap my mind around it.
I'd say that it's even more mind blowing that he blamed Germany's problems on the Jews in Mein Kampf and was still in politics, but antisemitism was pretty prevalent in Europe at the time. Plus his ascent to power wasn't like being elected in the U.S. The political system in Germany at the time is very different than what we know.
This post was edited on 8/6/22 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 8/7/22 at 6:57 am to braindeadboxer
I'd take 12 years of Hitler over 12 years of Biden for sure.
Posted on 8/7/22 at 8:19 am to Westbank111
True, I would guess 30% of Americans would support putting conservative Christians in concentration camps. After that was accomplished, they would support putting the remainder of Christians in concentration camps.
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