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re: Interesting how "Evangelicals" are separating themselves from "Protestants".
Posted on 10/5/25 at 7:44 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 10/5/25 at 7:44 pm to GumboPot
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Interesting how "Evangelicals" are separating themselves from "Protestants"
News to me. I couldn't care less what label is applied to my church or my beliefs.
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Posted on 10/5/25 at 7:52 pm to GumboPot
Evangelicals are heretics that like the aesthetic of DEUS VULT crusade Catholicism with none of the doctrine or theology.
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:05 pm to somethingdifferent
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Do you know why I made that comment? Read my other posts and you'll start to figure it out
Catholics are Christians, end of story. Get over yourself.
Catholics are in fact...get this...the original Christians
I know you dont believe that based on your comments. Same with Mo.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:14 pm to Champagne
quote:They most certainly are. Aside from solid commentaries, now there's plenty of good videos that give biblical explanations
These doctrines and practices that the RCC/EOC call "Sacred Tradition" are not "man-made tradition.
quote:That's one reason
We know that Protestants will never concede the point because of the Bible passage disparaging "man-made" tradition
quote:Stating biblical truth is "deceitful"?
That's a very deceitful thing to do
quote:This is standard propaganda for low information catholics, a la Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, etc
These practices, teachings and commands were absorbed by the Church years before any of the New Testament was written
I'll ask the question again - what Catholic "Sacred Tradition" comes directly from a quote of Jesus that's NOT in scripture? Good luck finding that. Let's make it easier. Replace Jesus in that question with any Apostle.
Did you know that Jesus never gave Peter the "power" (whether spiritual or institutional) to consummate a papal succession?
quote:Go read Acts 15:22-29 and tell me where the Apostles told the church anything resembling bishops or priests or a pope or sacraments or mariolatry or infant baptism or ANYTHING that modern catholics believe/practice
When the Early Church practiced what the Apostles handed-down directly from Jesus, they were following The Word of God
As I said before, the Catholic distinctives are completely made up. They don't resemble anything biblical. They do, however, resemble the ecclesiastic insititutions that Jesus fought against, Pharisees, teachers of the law, scribes, etc.
quote:We have scripture. We don't need man made stuff. And this always perplexes me in Catholic presentations about confession or priests or saint veneration or mariolatry. You don't need an intermediary between you and God. You have the HS. You can talk DIRECTLY to God. The Bible promises the HS will talk to you in a language you will understand. The HS will give you biblical discernment. Do you not trust God and God's word? Well, that's what God's word says. You don't need the Catholic church. You can talk directly to God and God will help you become spiritually mature and understand scripture. The office of the pope is completely unnecessary.
The RCC/EOC define what Christ directly handed-down to the Apostles as Sacred Tradition
quote:Not that it matters but I'm curious if you can name some and discuss the etymology
The theological doctrines of the Jewish Faith include components that are not in the Bible/Old Testament
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It's important to keep in mind that the Jewish, the RCC and the EOC are in alignment on this
I don't think you want to be "aligned" with the Jews on this quote:Again, you don't want to investigate biblical truth?
Could we stop accusing, judging and ridiculing EOC and RCC doctrine around here please?
quote:This does not mean what ground level Catholics think it means. The NT was propagated orally until it was written down. That's not the issue. The issue is that the Catholic church has included elements into doctrine that aren't in the biblical stream and they can't justify where they came from. There is no direct quote from Jesus or the Apostles on almost 100% of these things (mariolatry, veneration of the saints, purgatory, sacramentalism, etc) which means there is no authoritative basis for them yet, the church tells people they are necessary for salvation. That is heresy
All this happened before there was a New Testament
quote:And herein lies the rub. That "part" that wasn't written down that the Catholic church exercises, it has no authority. It came from nothing biblical or from Christ. Heck, Catholics can't even prove that Paul's citation of "tradition" means something other than the gospel, much less turning it into a whole pandora's box of institutitional ecclesiology.
THEN the Apostles and others assembled and wrote the New Testament as PART of what Christ handed down to the Apostles
You can get educated on this matter or you can continue to practice faulty doctrine. Go watch Bishop Barron videos and tell me what percentage of his content is gospel based. When I say the gospel I'm talking about romans 10:9. I've watched hours and hours of his content and I DON'T HEAR THE GOSPEL presented. That's shameful. He goes on and on about ridiculous Catholic trivialities that have nothing to do with the gospel. What a waste of time
In contrast, watch Gavin Ortlund or Jordan Cooper. They have plenty of videos given really solid biblical explanations of this discussion with the Catholic church
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:18 pm to LockDown
quote:Teachings that are recorded in the rest of the NT such as the epistles, are considered the word of God, theopneustos, God breathed. Given that they are doctrinally consistent with Jesus' teachings and actions, basically restatements, they are considered authoritative and therefore worth of inclusion into the canon. They do not "add" to Jesus' prior teachings in a novel fashion, a la Catholic practices
If a teaching of Jesus is not in the Gospels, would it have the same authority as Scripture?
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:23 pm to somethingdifferent
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This is standard propaganda for low information catholics, a la Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, etc
Dude you are an excellent Catholic hater
What a joke
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:26 pm to gaetti15
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You'll see a differrent split within catholicism with younger generations heading towards traditional Latin masses and reverent nouvus ordo masses
Im 31 and usually go to the TLM church they have in Lincoln. Its about a 40 minute drive but its worth it IMO. The diocese of Lincoln in general is one of the most traditional in the country. Girls cant be alter servers, most churches still have their alter rail, most still use incense and so on.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:37 pm to LockDown
quote:Everything that needed to be recorded was recorded. If it wasn't recorded in the NT, it wasn't needed for salvation.
If the teachings were recorded, how can we be certain that all have made their way into the various translations?
Think about this. The Catholic church is basically saying "there's a BUNCH of stuff that is necessary for salvation but God neglected to have his people write it down. Instead, they were allegedly passed down even though we have absolutely no record of it at all and most of it shows up hundreds of years later. Oh and you can't really trust the HS to help you with these things. That's why you need the pope."
Farcical and unbiblical
Ask Trent Horn and Jimmy Akin to present evidence from the early church (Christ's death to Constantine) for pedobaptism, mariolatry, saint veneration, sacramentalism, icons, etc. You might be surprised at the paucity of the evidence. It wasn't until the church was institutionalized that the majority of that shows up, including papal succession. Papal succession was debated well into the middle ages. Heck, some of the popes themselves were collegial and knew they were supposed to work with the conciliarists and the pentarchy. It took authoritarians like Leo and Gregory and Boniface to cement papal power over and against the conciliarists and most of the time those decrees, such as the unam sanctum, were forged from secular/civil matters.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:38 pm to somethingdifferent
quote:Boy, you probably ought not have done that.
Did you know that Jesus never gave Peter the "power" (whether spiritual or institutional) to consummate a papal succession?
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:40 pm to GumboPot
Gosh I haven’t read through all these pages but I may have a different perspective. I was raised in a Protestant/evangelical/whatever you want to call it household. My dad was Catholic and left the faith. Before I got married I converted to Catholicism because my husband was the most Christian person I had ever met. St. Theresa has a quote I love… “preach the gospel at all time. If necessary, use words.”
I think people leave the Catholic Church because they never fully understood the richness and beauty of their faith, my dad included. Does the catholic church have issues- yes! It’s an institution led by man on earth. There is sin, corruption, horrible things. No one is denying that. Look at the lineage Jesus himself came from…
Jesus Christ is the head of the Catholic Church, not the pope. But he did leave a leader on earth to speak with divine wisdom. Christ told St. Peter, “upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail…” it has tried. But in the end Christ will ALWAYS be victorious. That is our faith. Catholic means universal- all. Christ never meant for us to be divided, that’s how the devil gets a foothold. All this “us against them” we see in social media… what do we expect? The church can’t even support each other without this in- fighting. We are brothers and sisters in Christ. That is what satan wants… for us to attack each other.
I think people leave the Catholic Church because they never fully understood the richness and beauty of their faith, my dad included. Does the catholic church have issues- yes! It’s an institution led by man on earth. There is sin, corruption, horrible things. No one is denying that. Look at the lineage Jesus himself came from…
Jesus Christ is the head of the Catholic Church, not the pope. But he did leave a leader on earth to speak with divine wisdom. Christ told St. Peter, “upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail…” it has tried. But in the end Christ will ALWAYS be victorious. That is our faith. Catholic means universal- all. Christ never meant for us to be divided, that’s how the devil gets a foothold. All this “us against them” we see in social media… what do we expect? The church can’t even support each other without this in- fighting. We are brothers and sisters in Christ. That is what satan wants… for us to attack each other.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:44 pm to somethingdifferent
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Ask Trent Horn and Jimmy Akin to present evidence from the early church (Christ's death to Constantine) for pedobaptism, mariolatry, saint veneration, sacramentalism, icons, etc. You might be surprised at the paucity of the evidence. It wasn't until the church was institutionalized that the majority of that shows up, including papal succession.
So do you look kindly upon the early Church fathers?
Clement of Rome, Polycarp, Ignatius of Antioch, etc?
What do you make of the Didache?
This post was edited on 10/5/25 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:54 pm to Gaspergou202
quote:The Reformation? You don't know? It's kind of important. Check out 1517.
When did this happen?
quote:All over Europe
Where did this happen?
quote:
how did this happen?
People got fed up with things they saw that were unbibilcal, like simony, and tried to tell their priests to knock it off. Guess what the response was? Did you know that the Catholic church had a standing army to deal with those degenerate protestants? quote:You think the Catholic church is undivided?
Where in the Bible does it say Jesus wanted his Church divided into thousands?
This is always a dumb, popular level response from Catholics. This is a succinct resource Spiritual triage
It's a good explanation of what Melancthon called adiaphora
quote:At no point did Jesus say Peter was the "head" of the church. That's made up Catholic nonsense. The petra gave Peter no power whatsoever. None. Even the Apostles agree with that. Again, read Acts 15:22-29 and explain what the tenor of that passage is. Where does it tell the church to listen to the ecclesiastic leaders?
Every Christian must agree that Jesus named Simon Peter as the head of His church. Saying that’s stupid is heretical.
How do you explain Jesus constantly rejecting the popes and bishops and priests of his day?
quote:Papacy. Saint veneration. Sacramentalism. Mariolatry. Purgatory. Pedobaptism. Icons. Did you know we're not supposed to have icons of Jesus on the cross, like Catholics do? The cross is supposed to be empty. Do you know why?
Name them
Before you go slinging around Catholic propaganda, go watch Gavin Ortlund and Jordan Cooper. They give solid biblical explanations of these matters.
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your mangled and amputated bible
You think you're going to legitimize the apochrypha? You have really been brainwashed. I'll ask yet again - name some Catholic distinctive that was quoted by Jesus that's not in scripture. Jimmy Akin couldn't answer this question so I'm pretty sure you're not going to be able to either. If there is no record of Jesus saying it, it has no authority. None. And it can't possibly necessary for salvation.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 8:57 pm to Tom288
quote:I wish people could understand this doesn't mean what they think it means
I'm so sick of all of the division in Protestantism
quote:I'm not saying Catholics/EO can't be true followers of Jesus, but people need to understand those 2 streams have extra teachings that are not biblical/from Jesus and end up being heretical
I'm going to an Intro to Othrodoxy class
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:02 pm to Porpus
quote:I've know some people who consider themselves "calvinist" but they certainly aren't like that. While I do not fully agree with the modern, reformed view of calvinism, I can acknowledge that they geniunely love the Lord and serve/minister to others.
If such people do engage in evangelism, it is by their own definition entirely performative in nature
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:03 pm to Hateradedrink
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Evangelicals are heretics
So following the teachings of Jesus in matt 28:19 and Romans 10:9 is heresy? What is wrong with you people
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:05 pm to gaetti15
quote:SOME are. I live in Louisiana. Almost every Catholic I know lives a life that looks NOTHING like Christ, the Bible, God, evangelism, etc.
Catholics are Christians
quote:
Catholics are in fact...get this...the original Christians
No they are not. If you will read my other posts, you will start to get an idea of why The Catholic church is astonishingly good at programming people
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:07 pm to gaetti15
quote:I don't hate Catholics nerd
Dude you are an excellent Catholic hater
quote:There's always an infantile person like you in every thread and I have to ask the same question every time. Tell me what I said that's false. So how about you do that instead of juvenile attempts to insult
What a joke
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:09 pm to Diamondawg
quote:I wonder how many Catholics even know that. I bet nearly 100% of them have never even thought about it. The petra gave Peter no power whatsoever, established absolutely no papal succession, initiated precisely zero Catholic "Sacred Tradition." It's like Catholics haven't even read the Bible. SCANDALOUS
you probably ought not have done that
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:12 pm to GumboPot
If they're not Catholics, they're all Protestants. Just the way it is.
Posted on 10/5/25 at 9:15 pm to Gaspergou202
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Perfect example of the schism inducing everyone’s his own Spirit inspired infallible pope because they read someone’s English interpretation based upon 500 year old traditions.
This is why I will never be catholic. You are essentially telling us that we are stupid and need a religious elite to tell us the meaning of the Bible.
God gave us free will because he did not want us to be mindless drones. Doing whatever another man tells you without thinking makes you a drone. The idea that God wants us to get to Heaven but made it so difficult and convoluted that only one who devotes his entire professional life to the scripture can unravel its hidden meaning doesn't make sense to me.
The idea that spiritual leaders are infallible, especially ones in an office with a long history of corruption, is ridiculous to me as well. Jesus taught us that religious leaders can be corrupt, so thinking the leader of the catholic church can't be is absurd. Infallibility of the leader is also present in most cults, for the record. At the least, a human proclaiming infallibility should give one pause.
Protestants don't believe they're their own personal infallible spiritual leaders. They can believe that both the pope and they themselves are fallible. It's not an either/or.
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