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re: Is a Four-Year Degree Worth It?

Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:42 am to
Posted by Flats
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:42 am to
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than where I could have gone


You don't even realize you're doing it.
Posted by Zgeo
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:44 am to
Graduated in 77 . The degree enabled my employment by an oil and gas company with a 2 year trading program in O&G exploration. That 2 year trading program enabled my success in the industry I eventually became VP of Exploration 35 years down the road.

So in 77 the college degree enabled my move into an industry training program, which was far advanced and more specific than anything attainable in college then or now. The company I went to only looked at potential hires from 3 specific universities.

So it is a very narrow path where a college degree is worth it even in the past and is really just the first step along the way. The degree is not an end but a first step.

Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:44 am to
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Posted by wackatimesthree
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:45 am to
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But engineering or physics degrees are worthless.


New graduates are actually finding it very difficult to get jobs with engineering degrees. Not because there isn't a demand (there is), but because there isn't a demand for engineers with no experience.

Industry studies show that only about 10% of the knowledge that an experience engineer ends up with comes from formal education. The rest s/he gains on the job.

Engineering is like law or medicine. All you get in your undergrad degree are the foundational knowledge that enables you to understand the concepts you are going to be exposed to. Then you still have to learn the area of the field that you end up going into.

And physics CAN open doors, but people with physics degrees don't usually end up in a "physics" job unless they teach, which requires additional degrees. They'll end up in tech somewhere, usually, but their degrees won't directly translate to their jobs.
Posted by Ten Bears
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:45 am to
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Now is there a tiny population who has the analytical foundation, IQ, writing, etc? at 18? Likely, but it will be small.


The last thing this country needs is more, younger, lawyers
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:46 am to
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We are too far deep and their lobby is too strong.


It feels like every year that the nurse practitioners in Missouri are advocating for expanded scope because of needs in rural areas and then all the new nurse practitioners go do Botox in Chesterfield.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:46 am to
The point was that if I was trying to promote a JD as being as perceived as option like you were framing, I would never celebrate getting one from a school the class of LSU

A lot of lawyers get mad when I say this. But the law is nothing more than a service industry. Just sometimes a very complicated service industry. It's not really special.

But that doesn't mean that there's a large enough population of kids coming out of high school that could do the curriculum, like med school or graduate school for engineering
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:47 am to
Yeah it basically seems to be like 2008 out there if you are an entry level job seeker.
Posted by wackatimesthree
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:48 am to
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I understand that's the way it works right now, but why? Go straight to law school, get law certificate. There's no reason medicine couldn't function the same way.


That is the way it works in most other developed countries.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:48 am to
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It feels like every year that the nurse practitioners in Missouri are advocating for expanded scope because of needs in rural areas and then all the new nurse practitioners go do Botox in Chesterfield.


Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
27213 posts
Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:50 am to
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The point was that if I was trying to promote a JD as being as perceived as option like you were framing,


Everybody who's ever read your posts on this topic knows the point you're trying to make. And just in case they somehow missed it despite your prolific activity here you couldn't help but make it again:

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I would never celebrate getting one from a school the class of LSU
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:50 am to
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That is the way it works in most other developed countries.


That's a BCL which is easier than the JD/common law path
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:50 am to
Well, of course. But the just above average person couldn't make it through RN school, BS degreed. In fact, many of the "smartest" girls in high school don't make it. And the CRNA school is tough. Med school is a completely different animal for what I consider the very smart.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:53 am to
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That's a BCL which is easier than the JD/common law path


So?
Posted by shotskimakesmysat
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 8:58 am to
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We are looking for these people everyday. This is a Monday through Friday job with a company truck. Took me 2.5 years to get there starting over in a career.


What field are you working?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
27213 posts
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:00 am to
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So?


I agreed with his concept and simply applied it to law, and so far we're at three reasons and counting for why "well that's different".
Posted by evil cockroach
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Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:02 am to
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Depends on the degree. Most degrees today are useless.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
11784 posts
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:03 am to
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Yeah it basically seems to be like 2008 out there if you are an entry level job seeker.


That's what I hear.

I'm out of the game of looking for jobs at this point in my life, but I've got one child in the thick of it and the other is in her last semester of undergrad and has already started applying for work.

They tell me that employers absolutely DO NOT want to have to train employees anymore. They'll hold jobs open for a year and pass up a dozen could-be great candidates until they find one that checks every single box they want checked. "Has to have minimum three years experience in working in X subspecialty of the field at an altitude of 8,000 feet or more, has to have worked for a supervisor named Robert who wore an eyepatch for a minimum of one year, and still has to have appendix."

I'm only speculating, but I'm guessing the increasing reliance on tech tools and software (which have their own learning curve) is driving some of that and the "mobility" of employees these days is probably also driving some of it.

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
127260 posts
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:04 am to
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that anything you ever need or want to learn can be done from a device in your pocket.


The young folks aren’t pursuing fields of study in Renaissance literature on the Internet. It’s shaking asses, get rich quick schemes and watch other people play video games.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471073 posts
Posted on 2/4/26 at 9:05 am to
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I agreed with his concept and simply applied it to law, and so far we're at three reasons and counting for why "well that's different".


If we had a civil system exclusively it would work.

And you keep ignoring how I literally provided the path to avoid the graduate degree process to become a common-law lawyer. I'm all in for apprenticeship paths to things like that for more than just law.

Many of the applied service industry sectors could use an apprenticeship path. Accountants, lower level nurses, marketing, coding, banking, etc.

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