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Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:08 am to OWLFAN86
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At this point it's both elder and disabled abuse whether she meant to do it or not
Me: Do basic human rights even exist?
You: Prove to me that you can't walk into an ER and get treatment!
Me: Huh?
You: Cubbies refuses to answer my very simple questions.
Me: Huh? I never said anything about healthcare being a right or people not being able to access healthcare.
You: How can you defend abortion and say that people can't access healthcare? Please list the social safety nets every country in the world offers their citizens. Thanks.
Me: What?
You: Elder abuse!
Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:24 am to 4cubbies
You're not talking about human rights. Those are inalienable and can only be stepped on by the government. Not granted. A house is not a human right. A doctor is not a human right.
Try again with an honest argument instead of trying to leach onto one.
Try again with an honest argument instead of trying to leach onto one.
Posted on 3/19/25 at 9:29 am to GamecockUltimate
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oddly it did used to be true
No, that was never true.
You didn't read his post carefully.
Posted on 3/20/25 at 9:28 am to 4cubbies
quote:While I disagree, I will stipulate for purposes of discussion that this is true.
The government distributes rights in our society. In other places, a monarch may distribute those rights. Or a tribal leader.
It still does not explain where the idea or features of any particular right derived from or was conceived of. How does the government know what rights to distribute and what features those rights should embody?
Or for that matter, what the notion of a right is?
Are these derived simply from the authority of the State also, by whim and fiat? If so, it would seem any discussion about rights would be useless and futile since the very conception of such depends only on the State, or in your parlance the ruling authority of a given society, and therefor ever changing over space and time and not grounded in any abstract concept that can be discussed or debated.
This point of view transforms a Right into simply a license to particular behavior, a valid concept in itself, but the notion of rights has always been something different and more fundamental than the simple authority or "ability" to do something.
Again, where do the notions of what behaviors should be sanctions by the State come from? Do they just spring from random thoughts in people's heads, or are they based on something more fundamental and persistent than that?
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