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re: Is Yoga demonic? (Update)
Posted on 9/30/24 at 6:52 am to AulderMagee
Posted on 9/30/24 at 6:52 am to AulderMagee
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Go back to your anime porn.
Uh, this OP is much closer to anime porn than anything I am posting.
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 6:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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If you use Yoga for stretching, then it's no problem.
And, I already said this.
There are other ways to stretch that don't involve worshiping pagan gods. The fact that someone is ignorant to that, does prevent them from being affected by the outcomes
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 7:09 am
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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Or they're wasting time doing nothing
It's not how it works theologically. When you worship "nothing" as you imply, you are serving Satan. There is not this 3rd door, or neutral ground (from the Christian perspective), that you keep alluding to.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:06 am to burger bearcat
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There are o?lther ways to stretch that don't involve worshiping pagan gods.
Yoga doesn't require "worshiping pagan gods", just as money doesn't have to be worshipped.
Yoga is a tool, like money, the hammer, etc. Nothing more.
When you use Mrs. Boucher logic, you're relying on human subjectivity and preferences instead of Christian doctrine, and that's the issue.
What's worse is being that arrogant in your ability likely moves the behavior into the sin zone.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 7:07 am
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:13 am to burger bearcat
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It's not how it works theologically.
You're not being consistent in how you apply this. That's the problem.
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When you worship "nothing"
First mistake: you keep assuming worship when it isn't necessarily going on (and isn't in probably 99.9% of cases in the US)
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you are serving Satan
Serving Satan is serving Satan.
Stretching is not.
Worshiping different gods than the Christian god who do not exist is not.
Now, you can argue this worship won't get you into Heaven, and that's correct (assuming the validity of the religion itself), but there is a large gap between serving Satan and not getting into Heaven.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:14 am to SlowFlowPro
SFP the foremost expert on everything 
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yoga doesn't require "worshiping pagan gods", just as money doesn't have to be worshipped.
The name Yoga, is literally about worship of the self and nature. The stretches were created by Hindus to worship their deities. Someone can claim ignorance of it, but demons don't care. You have opened up windows, and may have invited in guests that you did not know were welcomed in.
I'm not even sure what you are arguing about. I get it, that you are atheist. But Church (specifically Catholic) teachings on it are pretty clear. JPII wrote a pretty clear letter to the Bishops about the practice and other new age meditation methods. In summary, if you are Christian, don't do it!
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:20 am to burger bearcat
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There are other ways to stretch that don't involve worshiping pagan gods
I have been to some yoga classes. There is no worshipping of pagan gods. None at all, in any classes i have been to. The closest thing to worship is looking at some nice asses.
Anybody claiming that yoga is some satanic ritual is a religious nutjob.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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Now, you can argue this worship won't get you into Heaven, and that's correct (assuming the validity of the religion itself), but there is a large gap between serving Satan and not getting into Heaven.
It would be viewed as a mortal sin, and blasphemous in the eyes of the Church. So if someone died leaving their yoga class, per the Church teachings, they could be in a state of mortal sin and could go to hell.
Per Church teachings, they can repent and confess their sins. The goal is for Christians to mature beyond "just fear of hell, and towards love of Christ"
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:26 am to burger bearcat
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I'm not even sure what you are arguing about
I'm just pointing out your posting illogical, borderline insane, gibberish that in no way makes sense within the religious context or logical context. In order to achieve this you were being intellectually inconsistent, borderline dishonest, and how you are changing your comments and arguments to fit your preconceived, possibly insane, belief.
I'm even using your examples with money and Hammer to show you the same argument applies to stretching. There is no functional difference between yoga and a hammer or yoga and money. So by your very own argument you are proving my point. The only way that you avoid this is by engaging in the dishonesty I reference to both and changing what is being said to fit a square peg in around hole
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:41 am to STEVED00
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SFP the foremost expert on everything
I think we can cross Christian theology off the list.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:42 am to burger bearcat
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It's not how it works theologically. When you worship "nothing" as you imply, you are serving Satan. There is not this 3rd door, or neutral ground (from the Christian perspective), that you keep alluding to.
Can you agree that simply clearing your mind using neutral techniques to meditate isn’t serving satan?
If not there’s no point in me wading into this mess.
Jesus went into the desert to pray and meditate. Mindfulness can be achieved without inviting demonic forces into our lives. Suggesting otherwise is over extrapolating regardless of any concerns about what certain extreme forms of yoga may entail.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:43 am to tide06
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Mindfulness can be achieved without inviting demonic forces into our lives. Suggesting otherwise is over extrapolating regardless of any concerns about what certain extreme forms of yoga may entail.
Correct
Of course, meditation is also the debil
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:44 am to burger bearcat
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The name Yoga, is literally about worship of the self and nature. The stretches were created by Hindus to worship their deities. Someone can claim ignorance of it, but demons don't care. You have opened up windows, and may have invited in guests that you did not know were welcomed in.
I'm not even sure what you are arguing about. I get it, that you are atheist. But Church (specifically Catholic) teachings on it are pretty clear. JPII wrote a pretty clear letter to the Bishops about the practice and other new age meditation methods. In summary, if you are Christian, don't do it!
The amount of benefits that comes from yoga are enough that I recommend everyone to practice it at least a couple of times a week, when you get old you're gonna wish you did.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:48 am to CelticDog
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"do you feel the Holy Spirit?"
I think they mean don’t do what King Saul did when he used the Necromancer of Endor to communicate with a dead prophet Samuel.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 7:59 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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I have been to some yoga classes. There is no worshipping of pagan gods.
To be fair a few poses are named after Hindu deities (Hanumanasana) which are basically the splits, and also Natarajasana, does this mean your honoring them in some way? Probably not, if that's not your intention anyways but you're certainly not worshiping them as worshiping Hindu Gods is a whole different process than yoga.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:06 am to 11
Yoga has ties to another religion. If you are a Christian, you are supposed to avoid things not of God. Take that how you see fit.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:07 am to 11
I think a big misconception from people like BB is that these poses are ancient and related to old India, when a lot were derived in Western/Anglo settings.
Yoga is as much Algo/Western as it is Indian. What we call yoga today was really derived in the 19th century by occupied Indians copying British workouts.
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The actual father of what we call Yoga:
Yoga is as much Algo/Western as it is Indian. What we call yoga today was really derived in the 19th century by occupied Indians copying British workouts.
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A number of scholars have embraced the task of explaining the reception of Yoga in “the West.” One of their aims is to challenge the idea that a “more authentic” form of Yoga has ever really been practiced in either Europe or the United States. They instead argue that Yoga was fundamentally transformed in India via the colonial encounter and thus remains caught up in European encroachments.
According to this argument, the practice of Yoga over the last hundred years, whether in India or the U.S., has nothing to do with partaking in an ancient spirituality – scholars have suggested something similar about fundamentalists who claim to represent the true essence of their professed ancient religion.
A recent Der Spiegel piece by Manfred Dworschak, entitled “Salvation Without a Savior” (Erlösung ohne Erlöser) illustrates how Europeans decisively influenced the practice of Yoga in India, and how the resulting spiritual bricolage made its way to the States. In a previous post, I mentioned Dworschak’s discussion of the body builder Eugen Sandow’s influence in India. I now want to look at two other examples Dworschak uses to suggest that Yoga, as we know it, is a recent invention.
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Relying on the research of Peter van der Veer and others, Dworschak suggests that the Swede, Pehr Henrik Ling (1776-1839) must be considered a pivotal figure in the development of modern Yoga. Ling is perhaps most known for being the father of the “Swedish massage.” But his biggest accomplishment was founding the Royal Gymnastic Central Institute for the training of gymnastic instructors in 1813. Ling’s philosophy of bodily enhancement focused not on weight lifting or the use of gymnastics equipment but rather massage and healing techniques. “Swedish gymnastics,” according to Dworschak, were eventually embraced by the British army – since they could easily be transported – who in turn dispersed Ling’s techniques to their colonial subjects in India.
But where could the local Indian population practice Ling’s techniques? In 1857, the first YMCA in Asia was established in Calcutta, India. By the 1880s YMCAs could be found throughout the country. At the time, of course, the YMCA was a missionary organization that linked physical exercise with spiritual well-being. The major goal of its “fitness apostles” involved the physical education of the colonial people. Dworschak’s suggestion is that the YMCA provided the material site for the cross pollination of Ling’s medical gymnastics, local yoga techniques and the YMCA’s underlying theology that exercise constitutes a means of spiritual sanctification. It is at this point, observes the Indologist Axel Michaels, that Yoga and the gym came in contact with one another.
The actual father of what we call Yoga:
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:08 am to STEVED00
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Yoga has ties to another religion. If you are a Christian, you are supposed to avoid things not of God. Take that how you see fit.
Well boys, the Constitution is Satanic because it relies on democracy and the republican form of government, which have ties to Ancient Greece and their religion.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 8:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well boys, the Constitution is Satanic because it relies on democracy and the republican form of government, which have ties to Ancient Greece and their religion.
Got heem!
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