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re: Israel / Hamas in a biblical context - any content recs?
Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:21 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:21 pm to FooManChoo
0p read this John McArthur
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Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:39 pm to CorchJay
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But to add more to the original question from the OP. We have no idea if this altercation between Hamas and the Jews have anything to do with Biblical prophecy.
Unfulfilled prophecies in the Bible in my opinion are the destruction and uninhabitable Damascus which could happen at anytime before the end of earth. It doesn't have to happen at any certain time nor does other prophecies depend on the destruction of Damascus.
For me I am a pretrib rapture believer. There is nothing needed to be completed for Jesus to snatch away his believers. It will happened so fast nonbelievers will never know what really happened. I don't believe in a gap theory between the Rapture and the Tribulation. Some do some don't I personally don't. I think as soon as the believers "The Church" is taken away with those being filled and sealed with the Holy Spirit that the Antichrist comes on the scene to kick of the first half of the tribulation (1260 days). The antichrist in the first half of the tribulation is called the Man of Sin but speaks as a lamb and deceives many. The 2 witnesses also come on the scene to preach the gospel of Jesus. Multiple different beliefs on who those 2 could be. Enoch, Elijah, Moses, John all seem to be the primary contenders. The will preach until the midpoint of the Tribulation and will be killed by the antichrist and lay for 3 days to be mocked by unbelievers. At that point Satan possesses the Antichrist and he is then referred to as the Son of Perdition. He enters the 3rd temple and defiles it and places an image of himself in the Holy of Holies to be worshipped. Jews were instructed of a place to flee in the old testament and then reminded by Jesus of the place to flee in the end times. It was called Bozrah in the OT and is known as Petra today. So there will be no confusion of where the place prepared is. 144,000 Jewish male virgins will preach the gospel as the antichrist goes out to destroy the Jewish people and tries to kill them but God provides protection for them. Jesus returns at the second coming to earth to Bozrah and defeats the antichrist and those located there. That's why his next destination he shows up in blood covered garments at the Mount of Olives where he defends the invading armies and causes a great earthquake.
That's the basics of the tribulation. There are many other story lines that affect people that don't go in the rapture such as you can't take the mark of the beast and make it heaven. All the wraths of judgement poured out on the earth. Death and famine will be widespread during the 2nd half of the tribulation.
Oh forgot a big thing regarding the tribulation. The first sign of the Antichrist may be the signing of some type of peace treaty allowing the Jewish people to build the 3rd temple. They have everything ready even several red hefers without blemish that are at the proper age. My guess is it would probably take Israel 9 months to completely build the temple.
You know The Left Behind series was written as novels, right?
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:54 pm to LetTheTigerOut
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she was sinless
Mary is the Mother of God. She is the Queen Mother of Jesus Christ's Davidic Kingdom. The Queen Mother is a very important part of the Davidic Kingdoms. So, it is quite fitting that Jesus would "Save" his own mother before her birth by deeming that she be born Sinless.
Mary is the New Eve. Jesus is the New Adam. They usher in the Messianic Age, and it's fitting that the New Eve would be superior to the original Eve by being Sinless.
Finally, the Angel Gabriel's greeting to Mary is a Scriptural indication that Mary was Sinless. Gabriel uses a Greek expression indicating that Mary being "full of grace" is something that is part of her identity and happened in the past.
The Greek word in the New Testament is a tough one: kecharitomene.
LINK
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:57 pm to Diamondawg
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You know The Left Behind series was written as novels, right?
Never read them. But that belief that I wrote out is the belief of 99% of pretrib folks. So if you only know of pretrib based of the left behind series you are severely lacking in biblical scripture
Posted on 10/16/23 at 6:00 pm to CorchJay
quote:Nah. I was once a pretrib but dug deeper and am a Partial Preterist now.
you are severely lacking in biblical scripture
Posted on 10/16/23 at 6:06 pm to Champagne
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So, it is quite fitting that Jesus would "Save" his own mother before her birth by deeming that she be born Sinless.
But that's not what happened. You see, you've just invented something right out of thin air. That's nowhere in Scripture.
However, Scripture does tell us what did happen, and why. Mary needed purifying requiring a sin offering and atonement. Why? Because she is not without sin.
You can attach all the labels in the world to her, but despite her vaunted status, that does not make her sinless.
Only Jesus, and none other, is sinless.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:47 pm to 756
I respected MacArthur when I was young and had the luxury of cognitively dividing the world into black and white.
Unfortunately Johnny never grew out of his severe dogmatism. So now, when I run across his books in my library I simply throw them away.
Wouldn’t wish him on anyone else.
Unfortunately Johnny never grew out of his severe dogmatism. So now, when I run across his books in my library I simply throw them away.
Wouldn’t wish him on anyone else.
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:49 pm to SirWinston
Try this, FF to the message not the intro: LINK
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:59 pm to LetTheTigerOut
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The context is clear and shows the sin offering and atonement is relating to childbirth, not morals.
So you're saying childbirth is now a sin, and therefore the offering must have been for the forgiveness of sin? No. You're letting your 21st century English understanding of those words blur the meaning of those passages.
Read it as a 1st century Jew would. This was not an offering for the forgiveness of sin, but rather a purification offering.
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 10/16/23 at 8:03 pm to bayoubengals88
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I respected MacArthur when I was young and had the luxury of cognitively dividing the world into black and white.
Unfortunately Johnny never grew out of his severe dogmatism. So now, when I run across his books in my library I simply throw them away.
Agreed. Gavin Ortlund is practically the only 5 pointer that I can listen to.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 8:58 pm to Stitches
Oh man, Gavin Ortlund is by far the best of the low church evangelicals.
I really enjoyed his recent apologetics book.
I really enjoyed his recent apologetics book.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:14 pm to Stitches
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Read it as a 1st century Jew would. This was not an offering for the forgiveness of sin, but rather a purification offering.
You and Letthetigerout both make compelling arguments, and I think Letthetigerout actually makes a better argument, but I agree with you. From my reading materials, giving birth was not a sin, and the mother was then ritually impure after birth. The waiting period to touch things and the burnt offering was to restore purity. It wasn’t about sin. Sorry I have no supporting detail as I’m not going to look it up a reference.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:29 pm to LetTheTigerOut
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But that's not what happened. You see, you've just invented something right out of thin air. That's nowhere in Scripture.
However, Scripture does tell us what did happen, and why. Mary needed purifying requiring a sin offering and atonement. Why? Because she is not without sin.
You can attach all the labels in the world to her, but despite her vaunted status, that does not make her sinless.
Only Jesus, and none other, is sinless.
We have explained it to you but you refuse to accept the explanation.
We have used logic to demonstrate to you the absurdity of Almighty God allowing the New Eve to be a sinner and thus inferior to the original Eve, who was born sinless, as was Adam.
"What is the meaning of Kecharitomene?
In Luke 1:28, the word that the angel uses is kecharitomene. So it's not literally “full of grace,” but its root word is the Greek verb “to give grace” (charitoo). The word is the past perfect tense, meaning that the action of giving grace has already occurred."
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:34 pm to LetTheTigerOut
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Only Jesus, and none other, is sinless.
Adam and Eve were both born sinless, and, by the grace of Almighty God, so was the New Eve, Mary, Mother of God.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:38 pm to SirWinston
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But I think the Bible says there will be peace, and that seems unlikely.
Uhmmm can you quote it?
Posted on 10/16/23 at 11:45 pm to ApexTiger
Breakdown from Ken Johnson on a prophecy from the Book of Amos that could be specific to what the OPs question was.
YouTube - Ken Johnson
YouTube - Ken Johnson
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:19 am to Champagne
quote:All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Mary is no exception.
Adam and Eve were both born sinless, and, by the grace of Almighty God, so was the New Eve, Mary, Mother of God.
The reason for the virgin birth is that the natural corruption of the flesh is passed down through natural generation (copulation leading to conception). Jesus needed to be born of the woman to fulfill the prophecy of Genesis 3, but He couldn’t have been incarnated by the natural process that produces sinful corruption passed down to all of Adam’s progeny. Jesus’ sinless spirit was joined with a sinless created human body in the womb of Mary so that He would be fully God and fully man; one person with two distinct and sinless natures.
Nothing in the Scriptures leads us to believe that Mary was truly sinless or that she needed to be sinless. The Marian dogmas are based on tradition and stretch the credulity of the Scriptures to support what is not found in a straight-forward reading of the Bible. They are perfect examples of the difference between Catholicism and Protestantism regarding authority.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:35 am to FooManChoo
Every single baby born is sinless at birth, but every single baby, except Jesus, will become a sinner..
Mary was not sinless. No one but Jesus is.. if Mary was “full of grace”, perhaps it is because her sins were washed away by Jesus when he was nailed to the cross, then rose from the grave.. which is the whole reason he came in the flesh..
Just my opinion.
Mary was not sinless. No one but Jesus is.. if Mary was “full of grace”, perhaps it is because her sins were washed away by Jesus when he was nailed to the cross, then rose from the grave.. which is the whole reason he came in the flesh..
Just my opinion.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:25 am to BigBro
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Every single baby born is sinless at birth,
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Just my opinion.
This is the problem with non-denominationalism and lack of confessionality.
People believe whatever they think is true.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:59 am to FooManChoo
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All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Adam and Eve were created sinless, so, you are wrong about that.
People born with severe developmental disabilities are, by the belief of some Protestants, are born sinless, and due to the severe nature of their disability are not able to commit sin during their lifetimes, so, they are also sinless.
So, Foo, I have disproven your contention.
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