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Posted on 2/11/26 at 10:13 am to riccoar
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The fact Adam Schiff is still a member of Congress is a joke and a crime.
True, but irrelevant to other matters. Like moving goalposts for Lutnick or any other characters like him.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 10:17 am to GumboPot
quote:If Lutnick resigns it will eat up Trump/GOP political capital faster than Michael Moore gobbling wieners at a Nathan's Hot Dog Contest. If Lutnick resigns, Dems will club Trump with the "humiliation" every day for the rest of his term.
If Lutnick resigns it gives Trump/GOP political capital to turn it's sights on Temu Obama.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 10:25 am to the808bass
quote:Why? What evidence is there that he did something wrong?
Yeah. Get Lutnick out.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 10:26 am to Dire Wolf
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Lutnick is the kind of hubris that it what is grating a ton of people with the Epstein saga
He lied because he assumed it would never get out that he continued the relationship with Epstein
Which has taken us to the point of many on the board having to defend a guy that took his family to the island...
Posted on 2/11/26 at 10:26 am to BigEasy92
quote:What laws did he break? If he broke laws, then fry him. If he didn't, leave him alone.
You want an administration hanging out with a pedo to be in office?
Posted on 2/11/26 at 10:30 am to GumboPot
quote:
I could be wrong but usually when there's blood in the water the media will spiral around it relentlessly.
If this admin released someone every time there is blood in the water, then, at a minimum, all of these would be out:
Hegseth
Tulsi
RFKJ
As SallysHuman said, you can't let the democrats define us. If we cowered and capitulated every time the democrats try to smear someone's name, Trump would have no cabinet members.
That's how the democrats operate. We can't give in to them. Conservatives need to learn to actually fight back like the admin does. Being scared of the democrats won't help us.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 10:57 am to GumboPot
quote:Lutnick resigns the day Adam Schiff resigns. Deal?
I know this is unpopular opinion but Lutnick needs to resign.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 11:00 am to TenWheelsForJesus
quote:Exactly right. Everytime the democrats start this crap, treat them like this.
We can't give in to them
Gonna Stand There and Bleed?
Posted on 2/11/26 at 11:14 am to RT1941
quote:And swallowswell that went BangBang with FangFang the chinese spy.
Lutnick resigns the day Adam Schiff resigns. Deal?
Posted on 2/11/26 at 11:56 am to GumboPot
I don't have all the facts and am open to the possibility that Lutnick might have to resign if a substantial pattern of contact with Epstein emerges in a way that implicates Lutnick with unethical behavior. As of now, I do not see that, and I am strongly against him resigning based on the revelation of having lunch with Epstein after previously claiming he distanced himself from him.
Should officials be held to a higher standard for their official and unofficial commentary? Yes.
Was Lutnick dumb to comment on some podcast last year that he completely cut off contact from Epstein? Yes.
Was this inconsistency enough to insist on a resignation? According to this Time article...
LINK
... the gist is they were both investors in a now defunct advertising tech company called Adfin in 2012, which seems to have been the impetus of them having that lunch. The article also states:
It's certainly possible Lutnick befriended Epstein around 2005, subsequently distanced himself, but their circles overlapped in a way that caused some renewal of contact. Lutnick should have said so on that podcast instead of trying to morally grandstand (I guess that's what he was doing). But these are pretty innocuous communications and I don't see any mention of girls or codewords that suggest anything that should be career ending. (Remember: the public dimension of Epstein was that he was a high level networker of experts and notable people in various fields; his private dimension was where the abuse happened and there is at this time zero indication Lutnick crossed over to that private dimension.)
Politicians on both sides misspeak or lie in more outrageous and harmful ways routinely without consequence. The only exception here is that Epstein is currently a charged topic and the media and the Dems would love to make him resign so they can definitively point to Trump with verified (in their minds) claims of corruption and poor cabinet choices. Not everyone who associated with Epstein ended up in his inner circle where the abuse happened, and noone should let the media induce fatigue until they capitulate on this issue to selectively target Trump aligned people only.
For this reason alone, I do not think Lutnick should resign. You can't just hand the Left a skin on the wall. As others have said, I see little difference in Jeffries grandstanding about justice for Epstein victims when he had been soliciting Epstein for money.
Also, as I stated in another thread the other day in response to someone posting that "No one loves a purity test more than a lefist", it's important to know what you're fighting against:
It will do nothing to move the country towards better stewardship if Lutnick resigns... and if it does not achieve better stewardship of the country, I see no reason he should do it currently. It will only empower the Left to find their next target. So, I think he'd be better off sucking it up and taking the abuse in the short-term vs willingly resigning, which will only paint him as guilty. As NC_Tigah states on page 1:
This is true. A Lutnick resignation will only harden into a more concrete talking point that they will bash MAGA with. Better to leave it an abstraction since members of both sides have countless members who who have had some level of association with Epstein. If something more nefarious than a family lunch (probably over their Adfin investments) or the Clinton fundraiser comes out, my opinion might change.
Should officials be held to a higher standard for their official and unofficial commentary? Yes.
Was Lutnick dumb to comment on some podcast last year that he completely cut off contact from Epstein? Yes.
Was this inconsistency enough to insist on a resignation? According to this Time article...
LINK
... the gist is they were both investors in a now defunct advertising tech company called Adfin in 2012, which seems to have been the impetus of them having that lunch. The article also states:
quote:
Other documents included in the released files show that Lutnick and Epstein planned to meet for drinks in May 2011 and that Lutnick invited Epstein to a “very intimate fundraising event with Hilary Clinton” in November 2015, among other dealings.
It's certainly possible Lutnick befriended Epstein around 2005, subsequently distanced himself, but their circles overlapped in a way that caused some renewal of contact. Lutnick should have said so on that podcast instead of trying to morally grandstand (I guess that's what he was doing). But these are pretty innocuous communications and I don't see any mention of girls or codewords that suggest anything that should be career ending. (Remember: the public dimension of Epstein was that he was a high level networker of experts and notable people in various fields; his private dimension was where the abuse happened and there is at this time zero indication Lutnick crossed over to that private dimension.)
Politicians on both sides misspeak or lie in more outrageous and harmful ways routinely without consequence. The only exception here is that Epstein is currently a charged topic and the media and the Dems would love to make him resign so they can definitively point to Trump with verified (in their minds) claims of corruption and poor cabinet choices. Not everyone who associated with Epstein ended up in his inner circle where the abuse happened, and noone should let the media induce fatigue until they capitulate on this issue to selectively target Trump aligned people only.
For this reason alone, I do not think Lutnick should resign. You can't just hand the Left a skin on the wall. As others have said, I see little difference in Jeffries grandstanding about justice for Epstein victims when he had been soliciting Epstein for money.
Also, as I stated in another thread the other day in response to someone posting that "No one loves a purity test more than a lefist", it's important to know what you're fighting against:
quote:
By definition, out of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals:
Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. "You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."
Or, stated another way on another website...
RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
It will do nothing to move the country towards better stewardship if Lutnick resigns... and if it does not achieve better stewardship of the country, I see no reason he should do it currently. It will only empower the Left to find their next target. So, I think he'd be better off sucking it up and taking the abuse in the short-term vs willingly resigning, which will only paint him as guilty. As NC_Tigah states on page 1:
quote:
It won't just go away. But we no longer live in a world in which apology or quiet resignation resolves anything. Quite the contrary. Today's reality is apology or resignation is regarded as a guilty plea and an opening for further more incendiary attacks. So Lutnick's resignation, if he is not guilty of a crime (or perhaps not even guilty of bad judgement), will not make it go away.
This is true. A Lutnick resignation will only harden into a more concrete talking point that they will bash MAGA with. Better to leave it an abstraction since members of both sides have countless members who who have had some level of association with Epstein. If something more nefarious than a family lunch (probably over their Adfin investments) or the Clinton fundraiser comes out, my opinion might change.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 12:26 pm to GumboPot
This is why you don't resign.
You will play right into the democrats hands.
Not a single Dem will resign with connections to Epstein and some of them were hanging with him in 2019. Resigning is an admission of guilt to the mob.
You will play right into the democrats hands.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Not a single Dem will resign with connections to Epstein and some of them were hanging with him in 2019. Resigning is an admission of guilt to the mob.
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