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re: JD Vance: President Trump and I will not stand for it.

Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:42 am to
Posted by Bourre
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:42 am to
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The issue is the mistakes, which is why this case has become such a big deal. Proper Due Process eliminates the possibilities of these mistakes, which is the point.


I know lying is your thing but this MS-13 gang member went before a judge twice and received a deportation order. It’s been established that he is an illegal alien, illegally living within the US.He’s had plenty enough due process. You just don’t like it because you support open borders and Biden flying in 20 million illegals
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 7:48 am
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:50 am to
Good.

How much due process should be afforded an illegal immigrant? Either produce proof of legal status or get sent back. We aren’t imprisoning the ones who committed no crimes other than being here illegally.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:54 am to
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Why did they write person instead of citizen?


Because they were brilliant visionaries, who couldn't possibly envision citizens who would use every possible means to destroy the country they created, by parsing every syllable in the Constitution. They had no way to know that an entire group of their fellow countrymen would embrace and entirely different philosophy, advocating for central planning, an omnipotent federal government, and the trampling of the very rights they just bled and died to earn. There was one among them we know for certain who suspected that the very freedoms and liberties enshrined in our founding documents may be used to destroy it: Benjamin Franklin was asked what kind of government they had given us, his answer was "a republic, if you can keep it."

We will keep it. Because at the end of the day, all the tools of the socialist revolutionary here in this country eventually will be reduced to one. The same weapon that this country was founded upon. At some point, you will think you have the numbers and the weapons, and the fortitude to destroy the patriots of this country by force. It will be your final mistake.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:55 am to
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Due process is simply doing the due diligence to prove they are illegal.



This is done when entering the country LEGALLY!! If a PERSON has to swim a river or scale a fence to get in, that PERSON is a trespasser and that's against the law. It's amazing how y'all want to apply the LAW for deportation, but not for ENTERING our country.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:57 am to
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Loves America but not the constitution...gotcha


Another Democrat retard.


Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
101554 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:57 am to
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can guarantee you they didn’t intend Ahmed Muslim #3002 to have a third hearing in front a lesbian judge before being deported.


Due process clause states the govt cannot deprive you of life, liberty, or property without due process. I’d argue a simple deportation deprives them of none of those.
Posted by BamaAggiemom
Member since Aug 2019
537 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:57 am to
You mean Biden? He's the one that didn't do anything.
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:58 am to
And people are wondering where in the Constitution it defines the due process non-citzens, especially illegals are due. It could be as minimal of just confirming their identity, and nothing else.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:01 am to
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I know lying is your thing but this MS-13 gang member went before a judge twice and received a deportation order. It’s been established that he is an illegal alien, illegally living within the US.He’s had plenty enough due process.

Then why did the Supreme Court disagree?

Why did they say the district court's order to facilitate his return was proper?

Why did they say his case was handled improperly?

Here is the direct quote:

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to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
87888 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:02 am to
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Which is pretty terrifying for this of us who love America...


Lol, you people actually hate America.


The guy already had his due process.

The president has authority on foreign matters. Not some Obama sycophant.



Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471811 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:02 am to
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It's amazing how y'all want to apply the LAW for deportation, but not for ENTERING our country.

This is so silly

By calling them illegals, the implication is they didn't follow the law entering.

However, that doesn't eliminate the due process requirement on government to prove these events happened to make them illegal.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
87888 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:03 am to
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Then why did the Supreme Court disagree? Why did they say the district court's order to facilitate his return was proper? Why did they say his case was handled improperly? Here is the direct quote:



So the problem here is he was deported back to his own country.

If we had dropped him off in Gaza, no problem.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471811 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:03 am to
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And people are wondering where in the Constitution it defines the due process non-citzens, especially illegals are due. It could be as minimal of just confirming their identity, and nothing else.

The normal immigration process isa bout the most bare bones due process afforded any person. Another reason why JD's comments are so stupid.

He went to HLS. He knows better.
Posted by GeauxBurrow312
Member since Nov 2024
5986 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:05 am to
They should suspend all immigration courts, keep the deportation flights going non stop

If you cannot prove your an American citizen, your arse is going back to whatever shithole you came from
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 8:59 am
Posted by LawTalkingGuy
Member since Mar 2025
147 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:06 am to
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Judges don’t make mistakes?


Thay do. That's why we have appeals processes.

But it is less likely that both Law Enforcement and a Judge will be mistaken.
Posted by tigerlion
Member since Jul 2009
2183 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:11 am to
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the constitution


We talking about the U.S. Constitution for U.S. citizens, or are you referring to a different one?
Posted by LawTalkingGuy
Member since Mar 2025
147 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:15 am to
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It’s been established that he is an illegal alien, illegally living within the US.


The same judge who ordered him deported, also ordered a hold on his removal due to the inherent danger he would face in El Salvador.

So, he was an illegal alien, but he was living in the US legally, and he was married to a US citizen.

His status could easily be changed, making his deportation legal, but they skipped that step. I suspect if he ever is returned he will just be deported anyway, but it will be done legally.
Posted by LawTalkingGuy
Member since Mar 2025
147 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:18 am to
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It could be as minimal of just confirming their identity, and nothing else.


Agreed. But to whom is this identity confirmed?
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:19 am to
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LawTalkingGuy


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Registered on: 3/19/2025


Oh look…. Another leftist “lawyer” who just happened to register within the past month. How much are you being paid to post here?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
87888 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:19 am to
But Garcia already had due process.


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ICE brought removal proceedings against him. The sole charge was under 8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(6)(A)(i), which provides that “[a]n alien present in the United States without being admitted or paroled, or who arrives in the United States at any time or place other than as designated by the Attorney General, is inadmissible.”

On April 24, 2019—after nearly a month in custody—Abrego Garcia was taken to his removal hearing before Immigration Judge Elizabeth A. Kessler. His then-attorney, Chicas, applied for his release on bail. ICE opposed the application, arguing that Abrego Garcia presented a danger to the community because local police had identified him as a “verified” active gang member.



A judge had found him to be an ms 13 gang member.


Another judge said he couldn’t be deported to El Salvador because of Garcias fear of gangs back home.

First, Garcia was supposed to apply for asylum within one year of entering the country, he did it like 3 years later. And those gangs in El Salvador are gone.


So which judge you want to shite on? The one who designated him a gang member or the one who said he can’t be removed to his home country?

Garcia didn’t follow any proper procedure until after he was arrested at Home Depot.

Sorry, he’s got to go back.




This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 8:22 am
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