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Posted on 2/10/21 at 4:50 pm to
Posted by KCT
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Posted on 2/10/21 at 4:50 pm to
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Just keep bleating, the shepherd will be along to shear you soon enough.


Yeah, what was I thinking when I supported that orange bastard? Son-of-a-bitch had the audacity to create the best economy we've ever seen by cutting taxes and business regulations, creating economic empowerment zones in urban areas, implementing an aggressive drilling policy that made us energy independent, and re-doing trade deals that were more favorable to America. Not to mention enforcing border security that kept more jobs in the hands of LEGAL American citizens.

But, wait. The pompous jackass then had to go and rub it in our faces by making that economy SO DAMN GOOD that it resulted in the lowest unemployment rate EVER for blacks, Hispanics, and Asians.

The nerve of that arrogant bastard! What was I ever thinking by supporting him? Hell, I should've known better than to support him when intellectuals like Kathy Griffin, Alyssa Milano, and Snoop Dogshit kept telling me that he was a terrible man.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25650 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 4:52 pm to
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That may be true but even I know due process does not apply and this is not unconstitutional in any way.


You need to wave your arms and jump up and down faster to make your clueless opinion have the illusion of substance.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 2/10/21 at 5:06 pm to
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The letter contains many individuals who I know and respect. I encourage you to read their case for such retroactive impeachment. As I have said in every column and posting on this subject, this is a close question upon which people of good-faith can disagree.


None of that reads like something that is objective. Only what they “think to be the case.”
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 2/10/21 at 5:22 pm to
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The letter contains many individuals who I know and respect. I encourage you to read their case for such retroactive impeachment. As I have said in every column and posting on this subject, this is a close question upon which people of good-faith can disagree


You obviously have as little a clue about reality than the list of characters you gladly embrace. The Constitution is not only the document itself. SCOTUS studies the Federalist papers that detail how these theoretical exercises are supposed to work. The Framers who expanded the text of the Constitution with the Federalist Papers explore exactly what takes place when a rouge portion of Congress chases a pipe dream.

Your clown show intentionally avoid the Federalist Papers.
Posted by BiteMe2020
Texas
Member since Nov 2020
7284 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 5:24 pm to
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Impeachment can happen against any Federal Officers. The Blount case tried to punt it with they already handled his expulsion. And was 14-11 in the Senate.

Belkap the House and Senate clearly agreed that being out of office/resigning is not protection from the proceedings.

Sooooooo I guess you're illiterate.



Impeachment is not the trial. Further, neither example were of Presidents.

So, no, I'm not illiterate. Further, in both cases, it seems that the confusion about the legitimacy of the impeachment process in each case was in doubt, and certainly neither case sets a precise precedent.

Further, in neither case was the evidence so laughable as is with Democrats' boner for Trump as to give away ahead of time the entire appearance of legitimacy.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 5:26 pm
Posted by 56lsu
jackson mich
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 2/10/21 at 5:34 pm to
maybe you should ask trump you folks believe everything he says. he was sill president when he was impeached so it follows the constitution.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
47966 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 5:42 pm to
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56lsu


When we vote for a senile old crook and a cackling, wide-spreading whore, get back to me you stupid asshat.
Posted by 56lsu
jackson mich
Member since Dec 2005
7925 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 5:47 pm to
melt trumpkin.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8151 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 7:41 pm to
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“The President” refers only to the current acting POTUS.


Can you show me one case that confirms this?

ETA. Apparently Cornell Law disagrees with some loud mouth know it all posters

The impeachment provisions of the Constitution839 were derived from English practice, but there are important differences. In England, impeachment had a far broader scope. While impeachment was a device to remove from office one who abused his office or misbehaved but who was protected by the Crown, it could be used against anyone—office holder or not—and was penal in nature, with possible penalties of fines, imprisonment, or even death.840 By contrast, the American impeachment process is remedial, not penal: it is limited to office holders, and judgments are limited to no more than removal from office and disqualification to hold future office.




This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 7:46 pm
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48766 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 7:46 pm to
I present my argument for an "ignore" feature:

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cave canem


I rest my case.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 7:47 pm to
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”The President” refers only to the current acting POTUS.
Can you show me one case that confirms this?
Dershowitz and Turley both agree with this proposition, as well. As to Constitutional interpretation, that should be enough for any sane person.

EDIT

In response to your edit, that interesting historical tidbit on the English common law has zero bearing upon the words “the President” in our written Constitution.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 7:50 pm
Posted by LSUBALLER
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
21048 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 7:53 pm to
Hey hey hey, that’s Mrs crack whore to you!
Posted by LSUBALLER
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
21048 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 7:54 pm to
Harris def has peanut butter legs. Easy to spread.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8151 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:00 pm to
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Dershowitz and Turley both agree with this proposition, as well. As to Constitutional interpretation, that should be enough for any sane person.

EDIT

In response to your edit, that interesting historical tidbit on the English common law has zero bearing upon the words “the President” in our written Constitution.


Thanks for confirming I’m right by your non-response response. There are zero cases confirming and Cornell law disagrees with your analysis... but we all knew that already.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:07 pm to
Hank is a fricking moron.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8151 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:12 pm to
Yes... yes he is as has been proven over and over.
Posted by Othello
the Neptonian Steel Mines
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:15 pm to
Hi Boared!
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 8:20 pm to
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Hank is a fricking moron.
Yes... yes he is as has been proven over and over.
Hank has more brain power during a REM cycle than the two of you combined on your best day.

But you think he is a Lib, so that makes him a moron. Sad.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8151 posts
Posted on 2/10/21 at 9:31 pm to
Keep patting yourself on the back. Am sure it makes you feel good. Must hurt to have people make a fool of you
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33750 posts
Posted on 2/11/21 at 12:49 am to
What the hell are you rambling on about?

Both men were far more guilty of charges than Trump, and yet neither was found guilty, SPECIFICALLY because enough Senators felt they had no jurisdiction over a non office holder
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Finally, on August 1, 1876, the Senate voted. It would have taken forty votes at the time to reach the two-thirds necessary. Only thirty-five voted to convict. Most of the twenty-five senators who voted against conviction did so based on concerns about trying a former office holder.

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On January 11, 1799, the Senate approved the following resolution by a vote of 14–11:

The court is of opinion that the matter alleged in the plea of the defendant is sufficient in law to show that this court ought not to hold jurisdiction of the said impeachment, and that the said impeachment is dismissed.

And heres a little nugget of wisdom for you
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in 1926 and again in 2009 — the House impeached federal judges who resigned before their trial. In both cases, the Senate opted not to deal with the matter.

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