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re: Let’s talk about how America first actually hurts America
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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The best man and another groomsman at my wedding were Jewish
Ethnic or converts? I’ve never met a non blood and soil ethnic Jew.
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:54 am to hawgfaninc
I would only invest in other countries if they promoted the original meaning of the US constitution into their country. But of course our complete congress of the last 100 years has forgotten that mission and we are now left with a corrupt, bankrupt country. We need to RE-IMAGE our selves into the US Constitution.
Perhaps a Christian armed militia will crusade us back to normalcy.
Perhaps a Christian armed militia will crusade us back to normalcy.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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I said lower prices helps American interests, not illegals.
As a blanket statement it’s still false to suggest lower prices helps Americans interests.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:56 am to Picayuner
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I would only invest in other countries if they promoted the original meaning of the US constitution i
Is MAGA even doing this?
They seem to be big fans of promoting a large federal Leviathan and eroding states' rights and capitalism.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:00 am to SlayTime
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As a blanket statement it’s still false to suggest lower prices helps Americans interests.
Not really, especially when you leave out the explanation I got into.
You'd have an argument if we didn't have 30 years of economic separation and dominance to prove my argument correct.
This also includes the time period where the EU was formed to directly compete with the US and USD and failed spectacularly.
We have lapped the field economically in that time period on the backbone of those savings that international trade has given us. Those savings propelled our advanced economy that nobody else can compete with. Any country can snap its fingers to build a factory to make rubber dog shite. That's a relatively fungible economic endeavor.
Not everyone can produce a tech, finance, entertainment, etc. industry. And those industries not only provide higher income/SOL, but they also are scalable and have much higher margins than lower-level economic activities.
Also, we are still the best manufacturing economy in the world, even with those advanced sectors. This belief hat we don't make anything here anymore is a myth.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:03 am to hawgfaninc
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But by not helping others, we inadvertently hurt our interests.
I tend to agree but we do need to re-examine how we're helping others. We need to re-examine the amount and to who we're sending the help.
We all have different opinions on amounts and who but these things really need to be well thought out.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:03 am to TrueTiger
There have been plenty of anti-legal immigration posts on the board.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:06 am to hawgfaninc
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The definition of America first as I’ve been told is to only care about America.
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as I’ve been told
bullshite
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:08 am to SlowFlowPro
It's called closing trade gaps. Why in God's name should we have a trade gap with Canada when they are giving free shite to their own citizens?
It's called not subsidizing other countries economies at the expense of our own in the name of Globalism.
It's called not subsidizing other countries economies at the expense of our own in the name of Globalism.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:10 am to riccoar
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It's called closing trade gaps.
That's not really an efficient strategy.
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Why in God's name should we have a trade gap with Canada when they are giving free shite to their own citizens?
We're richer than Canada.
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It's called not subsidizing other countries
In your example, Canada is subsidizing their citizens. The US is not subsidizing Canada.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:11 am to riccoar
“Globalism”. Yet another ill-defined term
that’s tossed around when a cogent, coherent argument is unavailable…
that’s tossed around when a cogent, coherent argument is unavailable…
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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You'd have an argument if we didn't have 30 years of economic separation and dominance to prove my argument correct.
We also have a projection of the middle class being far worse off over the next 30 years because of current policy. Anyone with a mustard seed of intellectual honestly can admit the moderate improvement the middle class has experienced compared to the astronomical wealth gap seen over the last 30 years is a losing strategy for America.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
You’re a regular ted cruz
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:14 am to SlayTime
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We also have a projection of the middle class being far worse off
a. That typically depends on a malleable definition of "middle class"
b. Is it even true?
The biggest issue facing the middle class is affordability which is cause by poor domestic government policy and isn't really related to trade policy.
THAT is where deficit spending comes into play. Government has purposefully engaged in policy to inflate some assets while Trump and Biden sent it into overdrive during Covid by both printing trillions. That is completely separate from trade policy.
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. Anyone with a mustard seed of intellectual honestly can admit the moderate improvement the middle class has experienced compared to the astronomical wealth gap seen over the last 30 years is a losing strategy for America.
Ah, some Democratic Socialist rhetoric. Did you get this talking point from Bernie, AOC, or Mandami?
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 9:15 am
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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We're richer than Canada.
Don't care. That doesn't mean they get to take advantage of us.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:19 am to riccoar
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Don't care
Well, if you're discussing trade imbalances you need to care because richer countries will almost always have a trade and balance with poorer countries. It's a sign of prosperity typically.
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That doesn't mean they get to take advantage of us.
I prove that your concept of" taking advantage of us" was faulty. I don't know why you keep saying it and tripling down when you proven wrong in a respectful manner.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
Using the classic definitions, it’s absolutely the factual projections as well as the historical data. The middle class stands no chance against economic zone bro policies.
That’s a blood & soil all star lineup of people who I agree with lock step.
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Ah, some Democratic Socialist rhetoric. Did you get this talking point from Bernie, AOC, or Mandami?
That’s a blood & soil all star lineup of people who I agree with lock step.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:29 am to hawgfaninc
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by not helping others
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That ability to help others
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so many are against helping other countries
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By helping others countries in a responsible manner
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how much should we help other countries
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“The best way to help yourself is to help others”
Define the word "help". You've rage baited enough without actually defining the term debated.
You also take issue with others having opinion that differs, such as the
quote:crowd. Almost as if you are attempting to create consensus upon the nebulous term "help". If you were to be successful, then "help" becomes whatever those with control of the purse strings want it to mean. You therefore appear to be trying to maintain the status quo, which makes your multiple mentions of USAID a bit suspicious.
not allowing legal immigration, not sending funds to other countries, not helping other countries at all
Taxes are a taking of food from the mouths of the citizenry here. They have a say in what is done with that money. When times are abundant, one may be a little looser with the pocket book, but when times are lean, it is not in anyone's interest to spend wrecklessly. The public is receiving mixed signals that times are both abundant and lean simultaneously. Therefore, it should be expected that a wide range of opinions on spending should occur.
I personally don't think anyone should engage you on this topic until you clarify.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:32 am to SlayTime
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Using the classic definitions, it’s absolutely the factual projections as well as the historical data. The middle class stands no chance against economic zone bro policies.
Again, that's not due to international trade policies and that's due to domestic spending policies. How is the middle class going to be helped when America first economics makes prices even higher domestically while their salaries decrease?
The income versus affordability debate is the one area where there is actually an overlapping of the trade deficit discussion and the budget deficit discussion. International trade makes us more productive and our people are more, but domestic deficits have outpaced these gains. That's what you're discussing about the middle class being negatively affected.
The question is how raising prices even more is going to help them. Then on top of that with the devolution in economic status, wages will decrease as well. I see that as a tripling down of hurting the people you are proclaiming to care about.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, that's not due to international trade policies and that's due to domestic spending policies
NAFTA & China entering the WTO did nothing to hurt the middle class. Yeah I’m out. Have a great day.
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