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re: Libertarian's job is to give Democrats the wins
Posted on 10/17/22 at 10:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/17/22 at 10:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
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If you're going to be tribal, pick a tribe that can get something accomplished.
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:00 am to GhostOfFreedom
Libertarians exist to hold the GOP accountable as a party of limited government. The GOP often does itself a grave disservice by praising limited government and the free market on one side of their mouth while supporting a burgeoning police state and restricting property rights on the basis of vice and virtue out of the other side.
The Libertarian Party exists to take votes from the Republican Party and swing elections to democrat candidates. That is why Libertarian Party media almost never attacks the democrat. They only exist to negative campaign and attack the Republican from his right. The Green Party fulfills a similar purpose to weaken the Democratic Party.
The Libertarian Party exists to take votes from the Republican Party and swing elections to democrat candidates. That is why Libertarian Party media almost never attacks the democrat. They only exist to negative campaign and attack the Republican from his right. The Green Party fulfills a similar purpose to weaken the Democratic Party.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:02 am to troyt37
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Well then you are doing the right thing in helping marxist democrats into power, right? Right?
Let's be clear on this:
A vote for a conservative Libertarian or Constitution Party candidate is no more a vote for an R as it is for a D. It is a vote for one of those candidates. I wish I had the mastery of the English language so I could articulate how stupid people actually sound when they say this. What they are really saying is that they know their candidate/party sucks, but they think it sucks less than the other candidate/party. When the reality is that both of those choices suck.
Republicans are leading us down the same path as the Democrats. That's a fact. It's time for a change.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:04 am to kingbob
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Libertarians exist to hold the GOP accountable
Pretty much.
Not sure why Trumpites hate limited government.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
I think Libertarians are not willing to look past Trump’s big government tendencies (using big government like fire fighting fire) to support the areas in which he was a serious ally (particularly in foreign policy and administrative law).
I think Trump supporters often see Trump as a proxy for their selves and for their country, and thus all criticism of Trump is an attack on their person. They see Trump as some sort of “last hope” for a constitutionally limited government, and thus all who oppose him or criticize him as enemies of America. It’s the whole “if you’re not with me, you are my enemy”.
The reality is that libertarians are some of the biggest Trump allies, but that Trump is a caustic and nuanced politician who rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
I think Trump supporters often see Trump as a proxy for their selves and for their country, and thus all criticism of Trump is an attack on their person. They see Trump as some sort of “last hope” for a constitutionally limited government, and thus all who oppose him or criticize him as enemies of America. It’s the whole “if you’re not with me, you are my enemy”.
The reality is that libertarians are some of the biggest Trump allies, but that Trump is a caustic and nuanced politician who rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 11:12 am
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Spending record during the Trump Administration may have something to do with that
Not sure why Trumpites hate limited government.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:19 am to Roaad
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Spending record during the Trump Administration may have something to do with that
Hypothetical libertarians would spend way less if they could just get in office.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:25 am to Aubie Spr96
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What they are really saying is that they know their candidate/party sucks, but they think it sucks less than the other candidate/party.
You will get no argument from me that the Republican party sucks. But to imply that they are as bad as marxist democrats is equally as stupid. Look at where we are after just 2 years of marxist democrat control, vs where we were with Trump.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:38 am to troyt37
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But to imply that they are as bad as marxist democrat
I don't see much difference anymore. There's no conservative party.
Both are collectivists. Just depends on whether you want Democrats or Republicans telling you what you should believe.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:39 am to Roaad
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Spending record during the Trump Administration may have something to do with that
Probably. His administration was less fiscally conservative than Obama's.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't see much difference anymore. There's no conservative party.
And that's why libertarians lose. They don't differentiate because they secretly have more in common with radical leftist collectivists. So go ask them for votes and piss off.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:44 am to GhostOfFreedom
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Libertarian's job is to give Democrats the wins
while the libertarian national party has been running shite arse candidates and has shown any interest and ability to actually care about winning starting at state and local levels....your nation is frankly wrong.
you are essentially saying its not ok to form a 3rd party adn we must remain attached to a two party system only forever.
doesnt matter if the republicans are nto acting any different from dems...we must remain on the plantation?
do you not understand this is exactly how the dems get the black population to vote Dem? how is what you are doing any different.
if you runa candidate that is truely for freedom and america first across the board....you wont have to worry about losing even if 3rd party is running
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:48 am to squid_hunt
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And that's why libertarians lose.
They arent suppose to win. they're supposed to make Republicans more conservative, which you people hate.
Lets just be honest.. Trump removed the last vestiges of conservatism from that party.
Republicians could easily gain independent and libertarian voters, but they can't escape the cult that holds them so fricking tight.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't see much difference anymore. There's no conservative party.
Then you’ve been in a coma for 6-7 years. I don’t care for the DC GOP. They’re not conservative and they’re certainly not fiscally conservative. If the only thing in the world that matters to you is the budget then you have a point; one that I’ve made myself. They’re both driving off the cliff, one’s just going a bit faster than the other.
But if you can consider what the Dems have done with authoritarianism and abuses of power, starting with spying on Trump and going forward, and say “there’s not a difference” then you’re not a rational person. There’s a shitload more to fear from today’s leftists than the budget deficit.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:48 am to squid_hunt
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And that's why libertarians lose. They don't differentiate because they secretly have more in common with radical leftist collectivists. So go ask them for votes and piss off.
Libertarians are generally progressives that are too scared to fully commit to “Fundamental Transformation.”
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:51 am to Mr Boyles
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THIS shite PISES ME OFF. If there is zero chance of winning, then money spent on a campaign should be illegal - Whether it helps Republicas or Democrats
wow this is up there for one of the dumbest posts ive read on this site
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They arent suppose to win. they're supposed to make Republicans more conservative, which you people hate.
Oh. So they run guys to interfere with elections because they're on our side. I get it now. It's not because they like butt sex and pot.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't see much difference anymore.
Then helping marxists get elected is no big deal. Hope you enjoy men using the bathroom with your wives and daughters, having your children groomed to be abused by perverts and brainwashed into believing that they aren't the correct gender, recognize that it is violence to mis-pronoun someone who believes they are a cat, understand that it is more important to teach children to be activists than to read write and do math, know that law enforcement is oppression but only the police should have guns, and enjoy sending trillions in taxpayer dollars to defend European borders and people around the world against the very people that they do trillions in trade with.
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There's no conservative party.
No argument.
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Both are collectivists.
One more than the other, but yes.
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Just depends on whether you want Democrats or Republicans telling you what you should believe.
Spot on. Being that libertarians enable marxist democrats to do just that, I guess we know which one they prefer. Probably should quit selling yourselves as some kind of conservatives though, don't you think?
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They arent suppose to win. they're supposed to make Republicans more conservative
Translated: They're supposed to drive a wedge into the Republican vote and secure elections for democrats.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 11:55 am to troyt37
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About the same time libertarians realize they aren't nearly as conservative as they claim to be
we dont claim to be conservative. we claim to support freedoms, and limit government.
its time conservatives realize they arent that conservative.
Patriot act - conservatives
banning gay marriage - conservatives
banning abortions - conservative
banning weed - conservatives
being okay with the last one just so you can tax the shite out of it (big government)
boot licking police offers shouting "just comply" when certain situations complying means relinquishing your rights.... big government.
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