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Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:24 am to HailToTheChiz
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Isn't it only for ambiguities? It's not like a court is getting a lawsuit for every single thing.
a. An incredible amount of federal court dockets are these disputes over interpretation/rulemaking authority.
b. The courts will get these lawsuits even more now because the agency deference no longer exists, which opens the door to attack a lot of regs.
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Plus if the court makes a ruling then other agencies will know how to proceed.
How would a court ruling over one specific reg using a specific set of language in a statute for that specific agency have any precedential value over other agencies?
Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:41 am to Carbonman
From what I can tell, the Chevron decision returns regulatory power to elected officials instead of being in the hands of non-elected administrative agencies. It’s more constitutional because people have more say in who represents their interests than a bureaucratic official.
I understand the optimism here, but from what I’ve experienced with the quality of government the past few decades, I don’t think I want our moron politicians making decisions that require expertise in niche areas.
I understand the optimism here, but from what I’ve experienced with the quality of government the past few decades, I don’t think I want our moron politicians making decisions that require expertise in niche areas.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:45 am to HailToTheChiz
Maybe it is tine to disassociate with stupid dip shits
Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:51 am to Carbonman
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The arrogance of this Supreme Court to think it knows better how to rule our lives than actual experts is infuriating.
The above is a real tweet. LINK - so you can see for yourself
For an example of how great it is to be ruled by “experts” instead of the rule of law, see: Anthony Fauci.
Bureaucrats are politicians in lab coats. They care about their one little area of expertise and finding a better corporate or lobbying job when they start collecting their federal retirement. They do not have to balance other interests or worry about how it affects life or the legal landscape as a whole.
Cops shouldn’t write or interpret the rules. Even if they have PHDs.
We’ve known this shite was stupid since Plato’s Republic.
And ETA - SFP there are Federal Magistrates to decrease Federal Judge workloads, some of this shite can be passed to them, or we could also consider eliminating a bunch of admin agency employees and appointing more federal judges. At least the rules would be interpreted in the correct branch.
This post was edited on 6/29/24 at 7:54 am
Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:52 am to DaleDenton
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It's is past time for Congress to do their jobs, create a record, and stand by their record instead of passing the responsibility and value to others so they can keep their cushy high status and lucrative jobs.
Sadly, I don't see it happening. I do believe there are many in Congress who understand their roles, but I can't see AOC or the squad, or weak kneed Reps writing and voting on concise bills. They want the status quo of passing legislation that can be interpreted by the courts to remove the onus from themselves.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:55 am to Wednesday
Regulatory capture means that the so-called regulators often wind up doing the bidding of the businesses whose excesses they are supposed to guard against.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 7:58 am to Wednesday
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SFP there are Federal Magistrates to decrease Federal Judge workloads,
These litigations aren't going to stop at a magistrate's Memorandum Order, or even the supervising district opinion over that MO
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Elon tweeted out this thread about how this will help, not hurt, startups and its a good read if accurate
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Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:20 am to TrueTiger
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Delicious tears.
Was that 4cummies?? 
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:21 am to Carbonman
The democrats freak out about everything
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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which opens the door to attack a lot of regs.
Im confused how this is a bad thing.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:24 am to SlowFlowPro
So all I'm understanding from your posts is that now Congress will need to focus on writing up very specific short bills, instead of monstrosities, they don't read, with a bunch of random shite thrown in, knowing some beaurcrate will just run with in any way he wants.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:30 am to Carbonman
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Ian Millhiser
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:30 am to stout
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Elon tweeted out this thread about how this will help, not hurt, startups and its a good read if accurate
The issue with his reasoning is ignoring that this will leave it up to courts to decide
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There's only two ways to fight this (well, until yesterday/today): an outrageously expensive court battle that will take years (or decades), and not come to a conclusion.
The other was to settle with federal agencies, and let them say whatever they want to in press releases.
Repealing Chevron makes this the de facto path to attack agency behavior.
Like this response:
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TonyMortgage
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I work in mortgage and I think this is huge for us. We would call the CFPB for clarification on what was/wasn’t allowed for advertising and they would refuse to answer, but would give us $10,000+ dollar fines if we guessed it wrong.
Repealing Chevron will do little for this scenario. It may even make the system murkier, because, with Chevron, at least when they gave you the interpretation, that received the Chevron deference. Now, courts will have to decide each of these issues/disputes.
Agencies may be less likely to be proactive and create even more of the issues the original tweets are referencing.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:31 am to stout
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Im confused how this is a bad thing.
It's more of an issue with timing than philosophy.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:32 am to Tasseo
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So all I'm understanding from your posts is that now Congress will need to focus on writing up very specific short bills, instead of monstrosities
No.
And to clarify these regs, it would be the opposite. The monstrosities will become 10-100x longer at the Congressional level.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:34 am to StringedInstruments
The issue is it’s not elected officials making the decisions.
Granholm is not an elected official. Her decisions are gutting industries.
Gas stoves for instance. Her mandates will force the closure of 11 manufacturers. For nothing.
They just issued a new requirement on gas mileage in cars. She should be eliminated. Car manufacturers will be adding several thousand to cars…..when the public is rejecting EV’s that can’t be charged. Or in the case of the NFL ball player and his family. Loses his entire house.
Pushing a needless agenda should not and is not the will of the public.
Time to end the stupidity.
I did business with First Solar and Solyndra. Did business with Iberdrola….a lot of us know, the Democrats fund this stupidity and when the company fails…….the Executives take the public money with them.
Biggest scam on the planet.
Granholm is not an elected official. Her decisions are gutting industries.
Gas stoves for instance. Her mandates will force the closure of 11 manufacturers. For nothing.
They just issued a new requirement on gas mileage in cars. She should be eliminated. Car manufacturers will be adding several thousand to cars…..when the public is rejecting EV’s that can’t be charged. Or in the case of the NFL ball player and his family. Loses his entire house.
Pushing a needless agenda should not and is not the will of the public.
Time to end the stupidity.
I did business with First Solar and Solyndra. Did business with Iberdrola….a lot of us know, the Democrats fund this stupidity and when the company fails…….the Executives take the public money with them.
Biggest scam on the planet.
Posted on 6/29/24 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is a misunderstanding in the echo chamber that Chevron takes away agency rulemaking authority, when it does no such thing.
I read it as an agency can make all the rules it wants but it just can't be the decision making authority against the citizenry regarding the lawfulness of its own rules.
I like it when a completely different, non-biased body gets to help the citizenry with the lawfulness or unlawfulness of rule(s) from the body making the rules. Besides, we have way too many rules.
Congress can no longer use agencies as a scapegoats. I like it a lot!!
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