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re: Lying Ted vs Crazy Bernie - ObamaCare Debate Night on CNN
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:53 pm to rocket31
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:53 pm to rocket31
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but it actually costs more to keep a healthy person alive into old age than it is to keep a fat arse alive until he dies of diabetes
Problem is, one is largely a function of choice and the other is not.
If you don't believe that, spend some time in other countries and compare the body types.
Or, tell me why obesity is not distributed across all demographics equally.
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Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:53 pm to Loserman
quote:Exactly. I love it when people say "insurance have profit motive to let patients die"... so does the government. And the government is $20 TRILLION in debt.
Another fact is we should pass out cigarettes to everyone. It decreases their life expectancy by over 5 years. That frees up Social Security money and medicare since the people die younger.
Saves us money
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:54 pm to Ag Zwin
i dont like fat asses either
im not sure why youre arguing against me on that topic
it is, what it is
im not sure why youre arguing against me on that topic
it is, what it is
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:54 pm to Sentrius
quote:It is as if the Ted/Bernie show didnt happen.
Love how CNN went straight to the travel ban as if Lying Ted never went full pedo face on Crazy bernie just now.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:55 pm to rocket31
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data, science, facts
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:56 pm to Taxing Authority
over your head, eh?
sad
sad
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:57 pm to bonhoeffer45
I'm not an expert but why don't the larger insurance companies negotiate lower prices on pharmaceutical drugs? It seems like Blue Cross would have some buying power.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 9:58 pm to rocket31
quote:
over your head, eh?
Nope. Just didn't support your claim. (sorry, I thought that was obvious)Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:00 pm to BigPerm30
quote:They do negotiate reimbursement rates. But for outright purchase... Anti-trust law and tort liability to start.
I'm not an expert but why don't the larger insurance companies negotiate lower prices on pharmaceutical drugs? It seems like Blue Cross would have some buying power.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:01 pm to BigPerm30
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I'm not an expert but why don't the larger insurance companies negotiate lower prices on pharmaceutical drugs? It seems like Blue Cross would have some buying power.
Because we still pay for drugs at the cost that they charge us. In other words, the demand remains high at current prices. There's little demand to drive costs down with demand high at current prices.
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:01 pm to Taxing Authority
CNN doing a Jesus documentary?
Is this a sign of the apocalypse?
Is this a sign of the apocalypse?
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:02 pm to BigPerm30
They do, but you can't negotiate it down to free. There's a limit to the leverage an insurance company's formulary provides.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:03 pm to 3morereps
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She needs to buy a plan that provides maternity care... like if you're going to have a root canal you get a plan that covers it. This isn't rocket science. Ted answered her question. You're just an idiot
Name calling advances intelligence.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:04 pm to the808bass
quote:That's true as well. For any desirable (non-generic) They sell all they make.
There's little demand to drive costs down with demand high at current prices.
But who knows... maybe if we fix prices with "single payer" so they lose money on every dose, they'll make more to lower the cost.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:04 pm to BigPerm30
quote:
I'm not an expert but why don't the larger insurance companies negotiate lower prices on pharmaceutical drugs? It seems like Blue Cross would have some buying power.
The market is too fragmented. At one point there was hope in the PBM idea 1 2 but that hasn't materialized in enough real savings for consumers. At least when measured with how other countries have done it.
But the best simple analogy I heard offered was comparing the way the fragmented private insurance market negotiates vs. the rest of the industrialized world(or how Medicare could if allowed). Was by comparing Mom and Pop's bookstore down the street trying to get better deals from a publisher vs Amazon trying to get better deals.
Mom and Pop threatens to walk away and the publisher scoffs and points out how all your competitors will carry these books and we will help everyone know it. Amazon threatens to walk away and the publisher trembles. Even if you got the next Harry Potter, Amazon walking away would severely harm your business. So the publisher is going to offer you a better deal. Plus, they just know you are the gateway to many, many more consumers.
This post was edited on 2/7/17 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:09 pm to Sentrius
This was a bloodbath. Sanders got exposed as a dumbass
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:10 pm to bonhoeffer45
The system is so convoluted. PBM's and PSAO's are absolute nightmares.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:13 pm to bonhoeffer45
Excellent analogy.
Do you think Obamacare would have an indirect effect on insurance's negotiating power? I ask because of the often repeated talking point that several states through obamacare have few, sometimes even one, insurance providers. Losing out on the formulary for that insurance company would effectively keep you out of that state. I'm sure pharma would still have the upperhand but I'm struggling to find a silver lining in the current situation.
Do you think Obamacare would have an indirect effect on insurance's negotiating power? I ask because of the often repeated talking point that several states through obamacare have few, sometimes even one, insurance providers. Losing out on the formulary for that insurance company would effectively keep you out of that state. I'm sure pharma would still have the upperhand but I'm struggling to find a silver lining in the current situation.
Posted on 2/7/17 at 10:13 pm to rocket31
quote:
i dont like fat asses either
im not sure why youre arguing against me on that topic
it is, what it is
Stronger than I would put it, but I accept that I got my wires crossed with you.
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