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re: Mail-in and/or absentee voting 101
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:35 pm to davyjones
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:35 pm to davyjones
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Fraud may not even be the most profound issue. Oregon may be efficient at it after however long they've been doing it, but we're talking about many states giving it their first shot at that greatly expanded level, and for a Presidential election no less. Lack of efficiency and preparedness will likely dictate that untold amounts of ballots may never make it through the necessary steps of the process in order to counted.
Oh I agree that it would be difficult or impossible for every state to work through the logistics of instituting 100% mail-in voting over the next 70 days.
I think the key is that fraud is NOT the most profound issue. But I also think it has become an excuse for not spending the past 6 months working out some of those logistical issues. It's unfortunate though, because mail-in voting is not fraudulent by default, and actually saves taxpayers time and money.
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Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:42 pm to Jp1LSU
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Trump doesn’t use absentee ballot, he uses the mail in process.
Exactly. It's all the same thing. There isn't a separate "absentee ballot" in Florida. Any registered voter can vote by mail if they want, and the system works just fine.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:52 pm to krones
Sure, I would trust Oregon's or the other handful that implement a much broader approach, but I actually would have particular concern about an acute and significant rise in fraudulent activity because the possibly confused and overwhelmed system would be be inviting. I think retooling to allow for broader availability of mail in is warranted, but unfortunately (as I think you may be getting at) we may be past the point of no return to securely implement it universally, and I'm not so sure that may not even be a longer period required to set it all up exactly right.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:52 pm to davyjones
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Ok, I did see that on the SOS website. That seems like an more uncommon situation than not, being unavailable for both the early period and on election day, so surely that isn't a consequential number of voters overall.
Definitely uncommon, and I think I also had to go in and deliver my ballot application by hand the first time because I hadn't voted in that precinct in a prior election.
Also of note, in Louisiana, seniors over the age of 65 can submit the application and have a ballot sent to their home address for that election and all future elections automatically. Even in Louisiana, mail-in voting has existed for a long time and it's never been a fraud issue until now.
Posted on 8/23/20 at 10:56 pm to krones
You're right about that. In fact there are apparently even other qualifications, offshore workers, incarcerated (on misdemeanor matters I assume), hospitalization reasons, and a few others. Which I assume they are plenty efficient enough to handle any and all of those cases. But the sudden introduction of every person who seeks to vote. I think we're pretty much on the same page though.
This post was edited on 8/23/20 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 8/23/20 at 11:10 pm to PrivatePublic
Republicans think if every American votes they wouldn’t win a single election so they call every way to expand voter participation a dangerous threat to democracy. Democrats claim the republicans actively engage in voter suppression and the republicans think the Democrats actively engage in voting fraud. There’s a bit of reality on both sides of the conversation but the truth is far from either extreme.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 12:37 am to krones
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Fraud isn't really an issue:
1) Outer envelopes and the anonymous security envelopes are opened by different people. 2) Poll watchers from each party oversee the process. 3) You sign the outer envelope, and they check the signature against your voter registration. If it does not match, you are contacted by the election official and have at least 14 days to come verify it. 4) Ballots and outer envelopes have unique barcodes on them so if they're duplicated, the system will flag it either as invalid or as a duplicate. 5) You can track online when your ballot is mailed to you and when it is received by election officials after you return it.
You say fraud isn’t an issue, and then go on to explain all kinds of bullshite checks and balances done by the poll workers once they get the ballots.
My worry is what could happen to the ballots BEFORE they get to the voter. We live in the age of porch pirates. I could see people stealing ballots, and even people being paid by the DNC to steal ballots.
And Oregon is not really a good litmus test, especially in a presidential election. GOP knows they have no shot there. Liberals outnumber smart people 3 to 1. Watch for the fraud in Michigan, Penn, Ohio, Florida, Arizona and Wisconsin. Maybe North Carolina.
Lastly, the postal union hates Republicans, and they really hate Trump. I don’t trust those people as far as I could throw them. I could easily see them taking bribes to misdeliver some ballots, or even on their own accord.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:07 am to krones
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mail-in voting has existed for a long time and it's never been a fraud issue until now
For those cases, does the voter have to do something to initiate the process??
I think the fraud threat is that everyone knows a HUGE percentage of eligible voters don't bother to vote at all.
With a live ballot out there for each of those millions of people, it is unreasonable to think that pile of unwanted ballots will be allowed to just lay there unused. SOME enterprising 'vote harvester' will figure a way for most of them to be 'mailed in.'
And with no requreiment for the voter to announce ahead of time that he is going to vote absentee - or 'by mail' - there is absolutely no way to prevent him from voting twice.
Plus all the dead people and non-reesidensts whose names still appear on the rolls will also receive the unrequested ballot - ready for someone to use.
IF there is a way to ensure that the name on the ballot has actually taken some positive step to announce his intention to mail in his vote and would then be marked off as an eligible vote by person.
This system is rife with fraud - and the proof of that is that the DEMOCRATs are rabidly shoving it.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 3:33 am to Jp1LSU
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Republicans think if every American votes they wouldn’t win a single election
Every American, or everyone living in America?
Posted on 8/24/20 at 4:05 am to davyjones
quote:It needs to be worked out NOT 3 months before an election...
we may be past the point of no return to securely implement it universally, and I'm not so sure that may not even be a longer period required to set it all up exactly right.
Posted on 8/24/20 at 4:42 am to HighDesert43
quote:Here's another secret. Based on your post, you make Senile Joe appear agile and percipient.
I’ll tell you a secret. Mail-in voting and absentee are the same.
On average, less than 80% of eligible US voters actually take the time to register. Yet in various US locations >100% of eligible voters are registered to vote. e.g. LosAngeles maintains rolls with 114% of eligible adults registered as voters. So, not even including other inherent mail-related errors, mail-out/mail-in voting could push out >30% of its ballots to ineligible parties. More Than Thirty Percent!
Got it?
A 30% overmailing doesn't happen with absentee voting.
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