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re: Massie going against Trump again
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:03 pm to BCreed1
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:03 pm to BCreed1
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Cry me a river. I have explained it to you over and over. I listed the methods that your chatgpt gave.
Like I said. Take an online class via Vandy. It's really great
I'm not crying. I marvel at how cowardly and dishonest you are.
Once again, I challenge you to type into GROK or ChatGPT the actual facts here...not some made up bullshite so you can pretend you're right.
Share with us what you get when you ask:
"Would President Trump be authorized by the AUMF in attacking Iran because Iran had killed peaceful protestors in Iran?"
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Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:06 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Gemini took a shot.
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The question of whether a President can use an Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) to attack Iran for its internal treatment of protesters involves a complex look at U.S. statutory law and constitutional powers. Currently, there is significant debate over this, especially given the "locked and loaded" rhetoric from President Trump in early 2026 regarding the "rescue" of Iranian protesters. Here is the breakdown of the legal framework: 1. The 2001 and 2002 AUMFs The two primary AUMFs currently in existence do not explicitly cover human rights-related interventions in Iran: • 2001 AUMF (Post-9/11): This authorizes force against those who "planned, authorized, committed, or aided" the 9/11 attacks (specifically Al-Qaeda and the Taliban). While it has been stretched to cover "associated forces" like ISIS, legal experts generally agree it does not apply to a sovereign state like Iran for internal civil unrest. • 2002 AUMF (Iraq): This authorized force to defend against the "continuing threat posed by Iraq" during the Saddam Hussein era. While it was used in 2020 as a partial justification for the strike on Qasem Soleimani (arguing he posed a threat within Iraq), using it to launch a campaign inside Iran for human rights violations would be a major legal stretch that most of Congress and the courts would likely reject. 2. Article II Constitutional Authority In the absence of a specific AUMF, the President often relies on Article II of the Constitution as Commander-in-Chief. • The Argument for Force: Presidents have historically argued they can use limited force without prior Congressional approval to protect "important national interests." • The Constraint: This is typically restricted to self-defense or protecting U.S. citizens/assets. Attacking a sovereign nation to protect their own citizens (humanitarian intervention) usually requires Congressional authorization under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, which mandates that the President consult Congress and limits unauthorized hostilities to 60 days. 3. Current Tensions and Legislative Pushback (2025–2026) As of early 2026, there is active resistance in Congress to the idea of using existing AUMFs for an Iranian intervention: • Legislative Barriers: In mid-2025, several bills (like the No War Against Iran Act) were introduced to explicitly state that no existing law—including the 2001 and 2002 AUMFs—authorizes military force against Iran. • Bipartisan Criticism: Even within the President's own party, lawmakers like Rep. Thomas Massie have argued that intervening in Iran's "internal affairs" over protesters would require a new, explicit vote from Congress. Summary Table: Legal Authority
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:08 pm to roadGator
Gemini outclassing Grok
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:08 pm to Taxing Authority
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Like I said the other night, it’s too bad we can’t bring Colin Powell back.
There's an oldy, but goodie. He made his bones for the IC in lying about My Lai as a major. They knew talent for lying when they saw it. Just like Victoria Nuland and Madeline Albright (spell?).
It's sad to see self-proclaimed conservatives fall for the same Americans Last propaganda time after time.
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
I make no judgement. I just started using AI for work.
Gemini was just handy on my phone.
Gemini was just handy on my phone.
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:10 pm to roadGator
Thanks Gator. Maybe my AI follows me in being verbose:)
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:11 pm to roadGator
It got into the nuance of the issues in a lot more detail.
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:12 pm to IvoryBillMatt
You just have to prompt to not be overly verbose.
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:12 pm to roadGator
Or you can go for the gold with Deep Research
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:15 pm to Pragmatist2025
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At some point, the ‘you have TDS’ and ‘you love goatfrickers’ mantra should be replaced with rational dialogue.
Exactly.
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:16 pm to roadGator
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You just have to prompt to not be overly verbose.
What would be the fun in that?:)
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:17 pm to Pragmatist2025
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At some point, the ‘you have TDS’ and ‘you love goatfrickers’ mantra should be replaced with rational dialogue.
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:18 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Do you really not see how AUMF doesn't apply in that situation?
I list several ways he can do it. Chatgpt and Grok have both stated that he could. You like leaving out details.
All that needs to be shown is that Iran is still at it and we are over it. But you keep latching on to 1 aspect.
If it helps you, I'm not for attacking Iran. That does not change anything I stated.
Article II inherent presidential authority is all that is needed.
AUMF can be used simply by linking those arrested in the USA (WHICH YOU WITH PURPOSE IGNORED) with Iran. Or for harboring. It just so happens that the people rose up to help us.
Now I know you need to know what chatgpt says because it forms your opinion (the new BIBLE).
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Yes — that fact pattern is exactly what Article II for.
1. Imminent Threat to the United States
If U.S. authorities arrest individuals tied to Iran who are actively planning attacks on U.S. soil, defenders argue this constitutes:
An actual or imminent armed threat
Not hypothetical or speculative
2. Self-Defense Is Core Commander-in-Chief Power
Article II is read to give the President unilateral authority to:
Defend the homeland
Protect U.S. citizens
Neutralize threats before they materialize
This authority does not require congressional approval when:
The threat is immediate
Delay would increase risk
3. Attribution to a Foreign State
If evidence shows:
Iranian intelligence services (IRGC, MOIS)
Directed, funded, or coordinated the plot
Then the threat is treated as state-sponsored, not merely criminal.
That shifts the response from:
Law enforcement ? national defense
4. Use of Force Short of “War”
Executive-branch doctrine distinguishes between:
Limited defensive strikes
vs.
Full-scale war
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In November 2025, authorities arrested 19-year-old Milo Sedarat and another 19-year-old in connection with an alleged Islamic State (IS)-inspired plot to bomb gay bars in Detroit. Several other alleged co-conspirators were also charged in the case.
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In June 2025, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced the arrest of 11 Iranian nationals across the U.S. on various charges related to immigration violations and national security concerns.
One of the arrested men, Mehran Makari Saheli, an Iranian national arrested in St. Paul, Minnesota, was a former member of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) with admitted connections to Hezbollah.
Another man, Yousef Mehridehno, arrested in Mississippi, was listed as a known or suspected terrorist by the Department of Homeland Security in February 2025.
Ribvar Karimi, arrested in Alabama, was an alleged former Iranian Army sniper.
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:22 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Once again, I challenge you to type into GROK or ChatGPT the actual facts here
No no. You only want the single fact that you demand be used. Why is that? Because Chatgpt, Grok, and the others can be manipulated.
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:22 pm to Bourre
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Except he’s been quiet on all of the democrat fraud being done across the country in democrat run states and cities. I wonder why a “principled libertarian” like Massie isn’t interested in those stories?
Y'all really have Massie Derangement Syndrome. His 3rd and 4th tweets on X today were about the fraud:
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:26 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Truth is optional for far too many.
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:29 pm to BCreed1
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No no. You only want the single fact that you demand be used. Why is that? Because Chatgpt, Grok, and the others can be manipulated.
You really are a sniveling coward.You tried to shame me with GhatGPT. Now that you have been exposed you claim it's not valid. Why won't you share what YOUR AI says? The manipulation is that AI wants to please its user. What does yours say?
Show us ANY authority establishing that Massie was wrong about further Congressional authority being necessary for Trump to attack Iran over deaths of Iranian protestors in Iran.
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:37 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Here was another Massie tweet about fraud today. Still think he's some grandstanding Democrat?
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:37 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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You really are a sniveling coward.
And your vagina smells like rotten tuna fish bitch. I can do this with you all day too. Your choice.
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You tried to shame me with GhatGPT.
You shamed yourself by taking chatgpt as the GOSPEL truth. I then explained it is not and showed you the many ways because I, unlike you, have taken classes on it.
Which is why your demand to only include what you want in the question is FLAWED!
For a person who is an attorney, you seem to be against all the evidence.
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Why won't you share what YOUR AI says? The manipulation is that AI wants to please its user. What does yours say?
I have shared it. LOL! COPIED and pasted.
So yet again, I have listed the ways. GPT listed them. Grok listed them.
Posted on 1/2/26 at 5:48 pm to BCreed1
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I list several ways he can do it. Chatgpt and Grok have both stated that he could. You like leaving out details.
BCreed, I just erased a very nasty message I had about you. I apologize for taking this too seriously. I'm sure you're a fine person and we probably agree about 85% of things politically.
I just can't find ANYTHING to contradict Massie's assertion that additional Congressional authorization would be needed for a strike in Iran based on humanitarian considerations. If it were arguably about the security of the United States or Americans, MAYBE you could stretch some argument about the AUMF applying.
You disagree. Cheers. Have a nice day. Again, I apologize for overreacting.
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